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  • RichardB
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    • Nov 2021
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    Angels with hairy faces

    I was looking at a picture of Wagner the other day and suddenly thought to myself I have never seen anyone, either in real life or otherwise, with the kind of facial hair configuration RW went for. Was it popular in the 19th century? Is its disappearance comparable to that of the "Hitler" moustache, which certainly in the early 20th century was quite common? It seems to me that few composers and fewer conductors wear facial hair these days (with a few prominent exceptions like Karl Jenkins who looks as if he's wearing some kind of joke disguise)... is this true? (Obviously this only applies to those of the male gender.)
  • Joseph K
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    • Oct 2017
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    #2
    Two who sprung to mind...





    I don't know if it's less popular these days though...

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    • edashtav
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      • Jul 2012
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      #3
      Originally posted by RichardB View Post
      I was looking at a picture of Wagner the other day and suddenly thought to myself I have never seen anyone, either in real life or otherwise, with the kind of facial hair configuration RW went for. Was it popular in the 19th century? Is its disappearance comparable to that of the "Hitler" moustache, which certainly in the early 20th century was quite common? It seems to me that few composers and fewer conductors wear facial hair these days (with a few prominent exceptions like Karl Jenkins who looks as if he's wearing some kind of joke disguise)... is this true? (Obviously this only applies to those of the male gender.)
      C’mon Richard, it’s unlike you to be wrong!
      How about ‘Gnarly’ Gruber?

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      • LHC
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        • Jan 2011
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        #4
        Originally posted by RichardB View Post
        I was looking at a picture of Wagner the other day and suddenly thought to myself I have never seen anyone, either in real life or otherwise, with the kind of facial hair configuration RW went for. Was it popular in the 19th century? Is its disappearance comparable to that of the "Hitler" moustache, which certainly in the early 20th century was quite common? It seems to me that few composers and fewer conductors wear facial hair these days (with a few prominent exceptions like Karl Jenkins who looks as if he's wearing some kind of joke disguise)... is this true? (Obviously this only applies to those of the male gender.)
        Wagner's facial hair always looked like a variation on the 'mutton chop' style that was quite popular in his time. There are still quite a few people who fashion their facial hair into similar configurations.

        Composers and conductors with facial hair?







        "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
        Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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        • kernelbogey
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          It's almost impossible to think of J Brahms as a young man because of that photo, mit Bart. But there is at least one early pic.

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          • edashtav
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            • Jul 2012
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            #6
            I hadn’t realise that Bart was beard in German.

            Was the Bartered Bride about a hairy lady?

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            • gradus
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              • Nov 2010
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              #7
              Oh dear Richard, Beardism raises its clean-shaven chin. Generous if ironic to link Wagner with the Angels though.

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              • ahinton
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                a few prominent exceptions like Karl Jenkins who looks as if he's wearing some kind of joke disguise
                Are you sure that you mean only "wearing"?...

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                • edashtav
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                  • Jul 2012
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                  #9
                  Didn’t several wags think that he was Meghan Markle in disguise when he appeared at the Abbey for the Coronation?

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                  • RichardB
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                    • Nov 2021
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by gradus View Post
                    Oh dear Richard, Beardism raises its clean-shaven chin. Generous if ironic to link Wagner with the Angels though.
                    I have absolutely nothing against beards, let it be said. It's something I've experimented with myself, but my experience is that after about two weeks it feels so uncomfortable I have to get rid of it urgently. If that didn't happen I might look like Karl Marx by now.

                    I suppose my assertion about them being less popular among composers and conductors than among the population at large must be wrong. Although having known James Dillon as long as I have, I don't think of him with the (really rather impressive) growth he now has. I still don't see any Wagners though - as LHC says, the mutton chop extended so that the ends meet under the chin.

                    There are indeed photos of the young Brahms in clean-shaven mode, but there are also photos of the young Mahler with a full set.

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                    • RichardB
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                      • Nov 2021
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                      Didn’t several wags think that he was Meghan Markle in disguise when he appeared at the Abbey for the Coronation?
                      MAYBE HE WAS

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                      • teamsaint
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #12
                        I was expecting to see Jimmy Pursey with a full set :(
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                        • hmvman
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                          • Mar 2007
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                          #13
                          The closest to the Wagner look I can think of is Jacques Loussier in his younger years. I don't know how to post a picture here so the best I can do is post a link:

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                          • RichardB
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                            • Nov 2021
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by hmvman View Post
                            The closest to the Wagner look I can think of is Jacques Loussier in his younger years.
                            Close but no cigar! Well spotted though.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                              Karl Jenkins who looks as if he's wearing some kind of joke disguise
                              That would be the music, not the man's beard.

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