Ned Rorem (1923-2022)

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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
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    Ned Rorem (1923-2022)

    23.10.1923 - 18.11.2022

    RIP
  • Pulcinella
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    • Feb 2014
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    #2
    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
    23.10.1923 - 18.11.2022

    RIP
    How very strange: I was wondering only the other day (when I played the Naxos CD of his three symphonies) if he was still alive.

    RIP

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
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      #3
      The little of his music I have heard reminded me of a number of British composers of earlier generations, but seemed closest to Samuel Barber to my ears.

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      • bluestateprommer
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        NYT obit: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/a...orem-dead.html

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        • richardfinegold
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          • Sep 2012
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          #5
          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          The little of his music I have heard reminded me of a number of British composers of earlier generations, but seemed closest to Samuel Barber to my ears.
          The Art song was forte. I liked his music, but I loved his writing. R.I.P.

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          • Dave2002
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            • Dec 2010
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            #6
            Sad to see this, but I have to admit I thought he'd already gone.

            Ned Rorem, RIP

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
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              #7
              Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
              The Art song was forte. I liked his music, but I loved his writing. R.I.P.
              There is a Naxos collection with Carole Farley singing and the composer at the piano:

              American Classics - Ned Rorem: Selected Songs. Naxos: 8559084. Buy CD or download online. Carole Farley (soprano), Ned Rorem (piano)


              Unfortunately, I'm one of those with reservations over her voice, as mentioned in this review:

              Seventeen of these 32 songs aren't otherwise available on disc, and they include some of Rorem's finest and most haunting. The utter simplicity that weaves a magic spell in Nantucket, the beautiful paralleling of Gerard Manley Hopkins's ecstatic imagery in Spring, the bare but deeply eloquent Such beauty as hurts to behold, the amiable contemplation of old age and possible immortality in Full of life now – all these are warmly welcome, and it's good to have for the first time a complete recording of Rorem's nine settings of Theodore Roethke. Carole Farley's diction is so immaculate that you'll hardly need the booklet of texts, and her acute response to words must be one reason why Rorem so willingly collaborated with her on this recording. About the voice itself some might have a reservation. Although Farley fines her tone down for the most part effectively her sound is basically operatic. But rejecting this disc on that account would mean foregoing the infectious lilt of The Nightingale, the amply lyrical, movingly expressive Love in a life, the beautiful long lines of Ask me no more and all the others mentioned. No, admirers of Rorem's unique talent will simply have to have this collection. His piano-playing is beautifully supportive.
              Farley is married to conductor José Serebrier, who conducts the three symphonies on another recommendable Naxos CD (mentioned above):

              American Classics - Ned Rorem. Naxos: 8559149. Buy CD or download online. Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, José Serebrier


              (Hosts: Worth retitling and moving to the Composers section of the Forum?)

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              • smittims
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                • Aug 2022
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                #8
                I can't recall hearing any of his music; certainly it doesn't seem to be broadcast often here. Yet he is often mentioned in books, as he knew so many people. I ddin't even know he'd written symphonies, only songs.

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by smittims View Post
                  I can't recall hearing any of his music; certainly it doesn't seem to be broadcast often here. Yet he is often mentioned in books, as he knew so many people. I ddin't even know he'd written symphonies, only songs.
                  The Naxos symphonies CD claimed to be their first release (on CD) but the third had already appeared (reissued) in a Vox collection, in a performance by the Utah Symphony Orchestra under Maurice Abravanel, which is how I got to know it.
                  When I informed Naxos, Serebrier kindly wrote back, saying that both he and Rorem were unaware of the re-release: I hope that Rorem subsequently got some more royalties from it.

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7666

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    The Naxos symphonies CD claimed to be their first release (on CD) but the third had already appeared (reissued) in a Vox collection, in a performance by the Utah Symphony Orchestra under Maurice Abravanel, which is how I got to know it.
                    When I informed Naxos, Serebrier kindly wrote back, saying that both he and Rorem were unaware of the re-release: I hope that Rorem subsequently got some more royalties from it.
                    Interesting. I’ll have to see if Apple carries the Naxos disc.
                    Our local Classical FM station has played a fair amount of Rorem songs. I think a few of the program hosts held him in high regard.
                    So I have heard the occasional song or two here and there but never a sustained recital or album listen. I have seen excerpts of his books in publications such as The New York Review of Books and I once picked up one of his Diaries in a library and sat for an extended time reading it. He was in Paris some time after WWII. He wrote in the style of a diarist who is aware that he is aiming at a reading public instead of personal intimacy. He was quite frank about his homosexuality which of course wasn’t that common in that era, although I imagine that living in Paris he may of felt more free to be open. His writing style is engaging

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                      Interesting. I’ll have to see if Apple carries the Naxos disc.
                      Our local Classical FM station has played a fair amount of Rorem songs. I think a few of the program hosts held him in high regard.
                      So I have heard the occasional song or two here and there but never a sustained recital or album listen. I have seen excerpts of his books in publications such as The New York Review of Books and I once picked up one of his Diaries in a library and sat for an extended time reading it. He was in Paris some time after WWII. He wrote in the style of a diarist who is aware that he is aiming at a reading public instead of personal intimacy. He was quite frank about his homosexuality which of course wasn’t that common in that era, although I imagine that living in Paris he may of felt more free to be open. His writing style is engaging
                      If you're a fan of Susan Graham, you could try this CD of Rorem songs:

                      Songs of Ned Rorem. Erato: 8573802222. Buy download online. Susan Graham (mezzo-soprano), Malcolm Martineau (piano)


                      The only writing I have read of his is Knowing when to stop (though as one wag put it, he didn't seem to!):

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                      • Boilk
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 976

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        How very strange: I was wondering only the other day (when I played the Naxos CD of his three symphonies) if he was still alive.
                        I've had that Naxos CD almost 10 years - perhaps now time to take off the shrink-wrap! To date I know only his attractive orchestral reverie Lions (A Dream).

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                        • gurnemanz
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          If you're a fan of Susan Graham, you could try this CD of Rorem songs:

                          Songs of Ned Rorem. Erato: 8573802222. Buy download online. Susan Graham (mezzo-soprano), Malcolm Martineau (piano)


                          The only writing I have read of his is Knowing when to stop (though as one wag put it, he didn't seem to!):

                          https://www.amazon.co.uk/Knowing-Whe...s%2C63&sr=1-18
                          A fine disc and something of a classic, which makes it surprising that, as the Presto link shows, it is only available as a download - without the booklet, which does have full texts. So far it is the only music of his which I have got to know. His passing may nudge me into remedying that.

                          Re 'knowing when to stop': the comment does apply to the songs, at least to those on the Susan Graham disc, where all are under three minutes, and most are under two. The shortest is 27 seconds.

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                          • Barbirollians
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11688

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                            A fine disc and something of a classic, which makes it surprising that, as the Presto link shows, it is only available as a download - without the booklet, which does have full texts. So far it is the only music of his which I have got to know. His passing may nudge me into remedying that.

                            Re 'knowing when to stop': the comment does apply to the songs, at least to those on the Susan Graham disc, where all are under three minutes, and most are under two. The shortest is 27 seconds.
                            Yes a lovely record and one to play this afternoon - RIP

                            PS Not sure why anyone would not be a fan of Susan Graham's voice ...

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                            • Pulcinella
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                              • Feb 2014
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                              A fine disc and something of a classic, which makes it surprising that, as the Presto link shows, it is only available as a download - without the booklet, which does have full texts. So far it is the only music of his which I have got to know. His passing may nudge me into remedying that.

                              Re 'knowing when to stop': the comment does apply to the songs, at least to those on the Susan Graham disc, where all are under three minutes, and most are under two. The shortest is 27 seconds.
                              I think that that comment related to his sexual proclivities, not his art song writing skills.


                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              Yes a lovely record and one to play this afternoon - RIP

                              PS Not sure why anyone would not be a fan of Susan Graham's voice ...


                              Obituary in the Times today: unable to share link (maybe they've got wise).

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