The World In A Grain Of Sand - Mark Padmore R3 and now BBC Sounds

[antongould]

Don’t know if this series has been mentioned elsewhere - if so apologies - but I am really enjoying it and making, for me at least, some wonderful discoveries …..

[rauschwerk]

I have found the first two programmes thoroughly absorbing, making me feel I'd like to explore further. To take one example, Ireland was revealed as a more wide-ranging composer than I might have supposed from Sea Fever and I Have Twelve Oxen (the only two songs of his that I know well).

If I have one criticism of the programme, it's that nearly all the chosen examples are slow and pretty quiet.

[Keraulophone]

Ireland was revealed as a more wide-ranging composer than I might have supposed from Sea Fever and I Have Twelve Oxen (the only two songs of his that I know well.

Trinity College Cambridge Music Society performed the complete solo songs of John Ireland in three live webcasts (no audience) in their chapel during lockdown. Bear in mind that these are undergraduates, several not reading music, who are probably performing these songs for the first time.


Programme links - https://www.tcms.org.uk/2020-21-programme-archive

Vol.1 - https://www.tcms.org.uk/_files/ugd/7...f0e2f9183c.pdf


Concerts 1-3:

https://youtu.be/boltL2tVbF8

https://youtu.be/dJDyNS7mz3Y

https://youtu.be/TlVoqNgxAeg

[Edgy 2]

Don’t know if this series has been mentioned elsewhere - if so apologies - but I am really enjoying it and making, for me at least, some wonderful discoveries …..

It's been highlighted on the neglected Brits thread by S_A but the more threads that mention this wonderful series the better

[antongould]

It's been highlighted on the neglected Brits thread by S_A but the more threads that mention this wonderful series the better

Couldn’t agree more Rob …..

[Serial_Apologist]

Couldn’t agree more Rob …..

I've already mentioned it once, so I won't do so again.

[antongould]

I've already mentioned it once, so I won't do so again.

Sorry S_A and I try to hang on your every word ……..

[Ein Heldenleben]

Don’t know if this series has been mentioned elsewhere - if so apologies - but I am really enjoying it and making, for me at least, some wonderful discoveries …..

Thanks for the reminder - I know it’s on Sounds but why the graveyard slot on 3 ?

[Serial_Apologist]

Thanks for the reminder - I know it’s on Sounds but why the graveyard slot on 3 ?

Deemed unsuitable for attracting the young vote, I'd imagine...

[antongould]

Anybody have any idea who/what decides how long things stay on Sounds or are available as downloads on BBC Genome ….. this seems to have disappeared …. dare one ask why …… ????

[Andrew Slater]

Anybody have any idea who/what decides how long things stay on Sounds or are available as downloads on BBC Genome ….. this seems to have disappeared …. dare one ask why …… ????

I don't know, but I do know that you can find the end date by going to the BBC schedule page for the programme, selecting 'view source' in your browser and then searching for 'enddate'. The final date of availability should follow the 'enddate' text.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Anybody have any idea who/what decides how long things stay on Sounds or are available as downloads on BBC Genome ….. this seems to have disappeared …. dare one ask why …… ????

The standard deal with TV is one year on iPlayer after transmission on broadcast television . However on Sounds I’ve noticed it’s usually limited to 30 days after the final episode in a series. If it’s then repeated on broadcast radio the so-called diigital window starts again. The BBC generally buys a licence to transmit a programme a certain number of times over five years.

[antongould]

The standard deal with TV is one year on iPlayer after transmission on broadcast television . However on Sounds I’ve noticed it’s usually limited to 30 days after the final episode in a series. If it’s then repeated on broadcast radio the so-called diigital window starts again. The BBC generally buys a licence to transmit a programme a certain number of times over five years.

thank you very much and you also Andrew ….. seems weird that Padmore on Private Passions from 2017 is a available via Genome on Sounds for a year …. ?????

[Ein Heldenleben]

thank you very much and you also Andrew ….. seems weird that Padmore on Private Passions from 2017 is a available via Genome on Sounds for a year …. ?????

Either it’s a BBC made programme and they own all rights in perpetuity or they’ve bought a licence from the indie to repeat beyond the 5 year window.

[smittims]

John Ireland has always been a favourite composer of mine. I find a quality in his music I don't experience elsewhere, like a friend taking you by the arm and confiding in you.

I think the intense, suppressed and understated emotion, passion even, in his music stems from his situation as a middle-class man in early 20th-century England experiencing same-sex attraction and at the same time knowing it was not only a criminal offence but also the subject of a severe social taboo. Owing to the way it was portrayed officially , with no-one able to put the case for the defence, such men may even have thought themselves 'wrong' .

As a lifelong heter I can't pretend to understand how oppressive this must have been. But in a way we have benefitted, as Ireland transmuted his feelings into wonderful music, for example the Phantasy trio, the third movement of the second violin sonata. the Prelude in E flat, and the Legend for piano and orchestra, to mention a few.