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  • teamsaint
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    • Nov 2010
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    Post Punk rambling and list of your favourites .

    Ok, for me, some of the wide variety of the music that is frequently labelled as “post punk” is the comfort music I turn to most often.
    Of course what defines a PP record or band is a “ how long is a piece of string” question.
    So , to discuss, would one include the Banshees, who were around the punk scene very early, but then took the music of the time in a direction all of their own, and were surely the most influential of the early PP bands?
    I never really thought of the Cure as PP, more as a punk/ pop band that veered off down a dark alley. But most folk would call them PP, certainly in the early years.
    The first U2 album, is surely PP,despite their later stadium rock career, as can be said for Simple Minds. Anyway, we are all grown up enough to draw our own lines I assume, but bands I would exclude , but have often seen described as PP would include the fabulous and influential B52s, ( too glam, but bang on the money combining dance and rock idioms) and Talking Heads ( way too early) , and the incomparable XTC ( art pop?)
    So to some favourites.lets say five albums/ bands.



    Joy Division, inevitably . Closer
    Echo and the Bunnymen. Heaven up Here. Impossible to leave them out, and it is their strongest songwriting IMO.
    The Raincoats. Odyshape. A thing of strange and wonderful beauty. The band the Velvets could have been.
    The Cure Pornography. An incredible and intense end of the line, or bottom of the well, for the Cure, phase 1.
    The Sound. Jeopardy.
    Or From the Lions Den. Adrian Borland was ( punk and) Post Punk’s most unjustly neglected talent and the best live rock group I ever saw.
    Magazine.The Correct Use of Soap. A perfect combination of style and substance, and the masterpiece they had moved towards over several years.

    Oh dear, thats 6/7. Never mind .And if you include the Banshees as PP, then The Scream would have to be in there of course.

    As ever it would be different choice tomorrow, and might include U2s Boy, The Smiths, Public Image’s Metal Box.
    I guess my choices are mostly big name and rock orientated, and other folks would veer more towards the danceable ( Cabaret Voltaire) or Electro/dance ( EG Heaven 17s Penthouse and Pavement ?) or the more musically and politically radical ( This Heat, The Pop Group, Pere Ubu ). Anyway, would be interested in your thoughts on this end of working week musing.

    ( prompted by another superb Cherry Red box set , this time “ To the Outside of Everything.)

    Have a good weekend.
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.
  • Joseph K
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    • Oct 2017
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    #2
    Don't know enough about this subgenre but I do love Joy Division...

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
      Don't know enough about this subgenre but I do love Joy Division...
      This is your chance to immerse JK.
      I think you would likely enjoy the more radical end, such as This Heat.
      The Scream and Public Image’s Metal Box are cultural references that I think you would value being exposed to.
      And if you like Joy Division , Echo and the Bunnymen( for example) aren’t a long way apart in musical style.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • Joseph K
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        • Oct 2017
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        #4
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        This is your chance to immerse JK.
        I think you would likely enjoy the more radical end, such as This Heat.
        The Scream and Public Image’s Metal Box are cultural references that I think you would value being exposed to.
        And if you like Joy Division , Echo and the Bunnymen( for example) aren’t a long way apart in musical style.
        I don't know about immersion, but I will try to investigate some of your recommendations, despite having recently acquired a lot of music I want to listen to...

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        • RichardB
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          • Nov 2021
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          #5
          In my opinion a post punk masterpiece is Television's Marquee Moon, I gave it some serious attention in the summer and it sounds as raw and fresh as it did back then. The Raincoats were another of my favourite bands from that time, This Heat of course, Japan, Joy Division, Cocteau Twins (stretching the definition somewhat), Devo, Palais Schaumburg, Wire, Killing Joke, the first four Talking Heads albums, The Ex, that's a few off the top of my head.

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          • Joseph K
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            • Oct 2017
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            #6
            Listening to This Heat's Deceit, which is quite good. It's unusual...

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            • teamsaint
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              • Nov 2010
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              #7
              Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
              Listening to This Heat's Deceit, which is quite good. It's unusual...
              Unusual is a pretty fair description.
              Another band I would recommend is Five or Six. Best known for their song “Portrait “ on the Pillows and Prayers compilation back in the day , they produced an interesting variety of music frequently described as eclectic, though I would say that in reality it is more diverse than eclectic, the result of the strains of differing musical directions within the band.
              The compilation “Acting on Impulse The Best of Five or Six “ is a good place to start, not that it is a huge body of work.
              Chalk Circle on the compilation is a song begging to be covered . Somebody could do really well with it.
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • teamsaint
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                • Nov 2010
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                Anyhow, currently listening to Join Hands by Siouxsie and the Banshees.
                Their best work still sounds as fresh, exciting, and sometimes as challenging ( within the idiom) as it did back then.
                The Scream is surely one of the most extraordinary debut albums ever made. And Join Hands is a somewhat flawed classic, that feels a little hastily thrown together in parts, but still knocks most of the competition out of the park.
                And in a fabulous double gatefold sleeve…..
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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