Categorisation of Music

[Ein Heldenleben]

I agree. Could someone suggest a title for the new thread?

You mean suggest a category into which it might fall?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You mean suggest a category into which it might fall?

That would be Talking About Music.

But the topic itself could be Categorisation of Music. What do you think?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Well - I've done it now. Rather a bodged job, I'm afraid, with some posts directly relevant to Breakfast being cast one way or the other.

But I ask that people keep to the label on the tin, by staying on topic.

[Ein Heldenleben]

That would be Talking About Music.

But the topic itself could be Categorisation of Music. What do you think?

Categorisation of music : A necessary Evil ?

I think Saturdays on Radio 3 is a problem . Several magazine programmes followed by screen music, world music , jazz , then opera . It has a bit of a “where do we shove this ?” feel to it …

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Categorisation of music : A necessary Evil ?

I think Saturdays on Radio 3 is a problem . Several magazine programmes followed by screen music, world music , jazz , then opera . It has a bit of a “where do we shove this ?” feel to it …

That's because Radio 3 has becoming the general dumping ground for the music no-one else wants.

[french frank]

Well - I've done it now. Rather a bodged job, I'm afraid, with some posts directly relevant to Breakfast being cast one way or the other.

But I ask that people keep to the label on the tin, by staying on topic.

Blimey - that gave me a shock! I was trying to remember when I'd started a thread on the subject.

I wasn't going to reenter the lists on this, but one thought did occur. When one talks of 'genres' what exactly (or even generally) does one mean? My Mozart records are shelved in 'genres' in that the symphonies come first, then the concertos (piano, then horn &c), sonatas (piano, then violin), chamber ensembles, operas). But since all my discs are 'classical', the question of jazz, popular, folk doesn't arise. I see I have a smuggled recording of Tibetan nuns singing in a Chinese prison, a CD of Thai folk music and one of Chinese 'classical folk music' by Pan Jing and Ensemble, they just have a separate little compartment in the cabinet (Pan Jing could go after Pachelbel, I suppose, though I can't see what would be gained). I did have teenage pop records but got rid of them all.

[cloughie]

That's because Radio 3 has becoming the general dumping ground for the music no-one else wants.

The T2 of BBC Radio!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Blimey - that gave me a shock! I was trying to remember when I'd started a thread on the subject.

I wasn't going to reenter the lists on this, but one thought did occur. When one talks of 'genres' what exactly (or even generally) does one mean? My Mozart records are shelved in 'genres' in that the symphonies come first, then the concertos (piano, then horn &c), sonatas (piano, then violin), chamber ensembles, operas). But since all my discs are 'classical', the question of jazz, popular, folk doesn't arise. I see I have a smuggled recording of Tibetan nuns singing in a Chinese prison, a CD of Thai folk music and one of Chinese 'classical folk music' by Pan Jing and Ensemble, they just have a separate little compartment in the cabinet (Pan Jing could go after Pachelbel, I suppose, though I can't see what would be gained). I did have teenage pop records but got rid of them all.

I have orchestral - vaguely alphabetically , then Piano (solo and concerti) , English music (except Elgar and Britten ) , jazz , rock , and opera as separate categories (apart from jumbo box sets) , oh yes and then a pile of BBC MUsic mag CDs and a stack of CDs on the player and a whole rack of hors de categorie that I can’t be bothered to file.

[cloughie]

I have orchestral - vaguely alphabetically , then Piano (solo and concerti) , English music (except Elgar and Britten ) , jazz , rock , and opera as separate categories (apart from jumbo box sets) , oh yes and then a pile of BBC MUsic mag CDs and a stack of CDs on the player and a whole rack of hors de categorie that I can’t be bothered to file.

I only wish the physical location of my CDs was as good as the EXCEL indexing on my PC. The position on the shelves are a perpetual project but such is the lot of the lifetime recorded music collector.

[RichardB]

English music (except Elgar and Britten )

I also keep Elgar and Britten separate from the rest of English music.

I'll get my coat.

[cloughie]

I also keep Elgar and Britten separate from the rest of English music.

I'll get my coat.

I don’t have a section for Britten’s Operas!

[RichardB]

But seriously... part of the beauty of having recorded music backed up in digital files rather than on physical CDs is that it no longer matters what order it's in! If you want to find something you just type it into a search box.

[oddoneout]

That's because Radio 3 has becoming the general dumping ground for the music no-one else wants.

There is an element of that, but the mix you list has been there for many years. What I think has changed is that the "magazine" and "other" element of programming has greatly increased and has reduced space for more traditional R3(ahem classical) fare. The "non-classical"(screen, jazz etc) then becomes more evident/annoying - depending on what your view is of "non-classical" or whatever you would include in that category.
I was reminded of this creeping space reduction on a couple of occasions in recent days. One was being caught out by the imposition of dumbtime; I thought I had missed its intrusion when sleepless in the wee small hours but found it was the 1am to 3am version. The other occasion was Tuesday night when the radio happened to be on later than usual (following the Proms repeat) and something called Laura Mvula's Music Room came on, which appeared to be yet another tracks wot I like session. I didn't dislike it as such, and don't like musical apartheid, but just couldn't see what the hell it was doing on R3.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

But seriously... part of the beauty of having recorded music backed up in digital files rather than on physical CDs is that it no longer matters what order it's in! If you want to find something you just type it into a search box.

Ah, welcome to Playlistworld (aka Breakfast).

You can programme CDs as well, but not to the extent you can have Popeye in the middle of Der Rosenkavelier.

[Ein Heldenleben]

I also keep Elgar and Britten separate from the rest of English music.

I'll get my coat.

Because they are essentially European?
Or can’t stand them ?