Saddos ....

[RichardB]

Saddest music ever is surely ‘gangsta rap’.

I'm sure every generation for the last few decades has thought a similar thing about the music young people think is cool, and what the older generation think it seems to be about is actually only a small part of what it's about to those who listen to it. In a wider sense, if we as people of a certain age want to understand the young, which is surely desirable, especially for those involved in educating them, dismissing their music isn't exactly a helpful step to take, is it?

[french frank]

In a wider sense, if we as people of a certain age want to understand the young, which is surely desirable, especially for those involved in educating them, dismissing their music isn't exactly a helpful step to take, is it?

One is surely allowed to have an opinion about it without confronting anyone with an opinion about their favourite music? 'Getting down with the kids', 'dad dancing' - both phrases which illustrate the obvious differences in generational attitudes. I know very little about the under 30s and don't 'need' to know anything. I do observe the thirty and forty-somethings being very judgemental about older people so I fear 'not understanding older people' is as natural as 'not understanding younger people'. Thinking about it, I'm not sure we need to 'understand' everyone else: merely be tolerant of our differences.

[RichardB]

I know very little about the under 30s and don't 'need' to know anything. (...) Thinking about it, I'm not sure we need to 'understand' everyone else: merely be tolerant of our differences.

Here I'm reminded of these words from Jeremy Corbyn in another context: "I don’t like the word tolerance. I don’t tolerate somebody. I respect somebody, I work with somebody, I love somebody. I don’t like the idea I’ve got to tolerate them because they’re a different faith. No, respect is a much better way."

[french frank]

Here I'm reminded of these words from Jeremy Corbyn in another context: "I don’t like the word tolerance. I don’t tolerate somebody. I respect somebody, I work with somebody, I love somebody. I don’t like the idea I’ve got to tolerate them because they’re a different faith. No, respect is a much better way."

I didn't mention tolerating people, but being tolerant, not picking arguments, not getting angry or abusive, just because people think differently. "Tolerant n. One who tolerates opinions or practices different from his own; one free from bigotry".

Mr Corbyn's quote interprets the word in a rather narrow way, in my opinion. 'Being tolerant' is the opposite of 'being intolerant'.

[cloughie]

I didn't mention tolerating people, but being tolerant, not picking arguments, not getting angry or abusive, just because people think differently. "Tolerant n. One who tolerates opinions or practices different from his own; one free from bigotry".

Mr Corbyn's quote interprets the word in a rather narrow way, in my opinion. 'Being tolerant' is the opposite of 'being intolerant'.

If there’s anything I cannot stand it is intolerance!

[Ein Heldenleben]

I'm sure every generation for the last few decades has thought a similar thing about the music young people think is cool, and what the older generation think it seems to be about is actually only a small part of what it's about to those who listen to it. In a wider sense, if we as people of a certain age want to understand the young, which is surely desirable, especially for those involved in educating them, dismissing their music isn't exactly a helpful step to take, is it?

Some Rap I don’t have a problem with . With some I find the misogyny and celebration of knife crime pretty hard to take …
Mind you I could say the same about Don Giovanni
And quite a lot of Elizabethan / Jacobean revenge tragedy…

[ChandlersFord]

I seem to have a visceral reaction to rap: I just want to put as much distance between it and myself as quickly as I can.

Lots of millennials seem to feel the same way about ‘classical’ music.

At the other extreme stand Ed Sheeran and his ilk: music so impossibly bland that its appeal escapes me.

[french frank]

I seem to have a visceral reaction to rap: I just want to put as much distance between it and myself as quickly as I can.

Lots of millennials seem to feel the same way about ‘classical’ music.

At the other extreme stand Ed Sheeran and his ilk: music so impossibly bland that its appeal escapes me.

You realise, of course, that it's us that are the saddos (saddoes?) , though probably not as sad as if we were Millennial or Gen Z and didn't like it. At least we have classical music.

[cloughie]

I seem to have a visceral reaction to rap: I just want to put as much distance between it and myself as quickly as I can.

Lots of millennials seem to feel the same way about ‘classical’ music.

At the other extreme stand Ed Sheeran and his ilk: music so impossibly bland that its appeal escapes me.

Welcome to the fourth decade of really bad pop music

Add minimalist monotony and extreme hipp and you have main components of music not listen to in the time I have left on this planet - optimistically a good while!

The good news is that I have the shelves of good stuff to listen to!

A happy saddo?

[Bryn]

Welcome to the fourth decade of really bad pop music

Add minimalist monotony and extreme hipp and you have main components of music not listen to in the time I have left on this planet - optimistically a good while!

The good news is that I have the shelves of good stuff to listen to!

A happy saddo?

Ah, so you are a HIPPster. It's just that, for you, that history only goes back a few decades.

[cloughie]

Ah, so you are a HIPPster. It's just that, for you, that history only goes back a few decades.

Bryn, I don’t understand your message - maybe my cold has befuddled me - please explain!

[Bryn]

Bryn, I don’t understand your message - maybe my cold has befuddled me - please explain!

A reference to your comment regarding the pop music of recent decades. It also seems to apply to your approach to other music, where the COWDUNG* of 20th-century performance practice appears to be your historical bag.

* "Conventional Wisdom of Dominant Group", cf Hal Waddington's "Tools for Thought".

[french frank]

maybe my cold has befuddled me - please explain!

Oh no! You know what cold symptoms mean at the moment?

[cloughie]

Oh no! You know what cold symptoms mean at the moment?

Flow test negative this morning - so far so good.

[jayne lee wilson]

Some Rap I don’t have a problem with . With some I find the misogyny and celebration of knife crime pretty hard to take …
Mind you I could say the same about Don Giovanni
And quite a lot of Elizabethan / Jacobean revenge tragedy…

Not much knife crime or misogyny here..... but a great deal of inventive, exciting music making.....

https://hiphopwired.com/playlist/hhws-top-30-greatest-female-rap-artists-of-all-time-ranked/

Excellent essay too....

Just try staying in your chair when the bass kicks in on this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo

Nicki really OWNS IT! Starships were meant to fly! Hands up and touch the sky!