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  • kernelbogey
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    • Nov 2010
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    "Jurassic FM"

    Kennedy said the “culturally prejudiced” decision amounted to “musical segregation”, with the station he now calls “Jurassic FM” preferring him to play Vivaldi’s Four Seasons in Wednesday’s show.

  • oddoneout
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    • Nov 2015
    • 8989

    #2
    And we think Auntie is bad...
    I realise that the article won't be telling the whole story but enough comes out from it to make me wonder what planet CFM is on - and what the profile of its "desired audience" is.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      #3
      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      Kennedy said the “culturally prejudiced” decision amounted to “musical segregation”, with the station he now calls “Jurassic FM” preferring him to play Vivaldi’s Four Seasons in Wednesday’s show.

      https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...endrix-tribute
      I recall attending a Kronos Quartet concert in the mid-1980s where, a an encore following Cage's 30 Pieces for String Quartet, they played the Steve Riffkin arrangement of Hendrix's Purple Haze. It did not go down well with the leading improving musicians I attended with. Not because they felt the Hendirx work out of place but because they felt the approach the Kronos Quartet took traduced the essential musicallity of the work. For what it's worth, I was not so critical of their performance on that occasion but certainly found Kennedy's version far more in the spirit of Hendrix than that offered by the Kronos Quartet. I find it quite ironic that 'Car Sick' FM should baulk at the proposal to include the Hendrix piece in the planned concert. Good for Nigel Kennedy that he took this stand. If the Guardian piece accurately reflects Chi-chi Nwanoku's stance, I dont think it refects too well on her position in this dispute.

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      • oddoneout
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        • Nov 2015
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        #4
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        I recall attending a Kronos Quartet concert in the mid-1980s where, a an encore following Cage's 30 Pieces for String Quartet, they played the Steve Riffkin arrangement of Hendrix's Purple Haze. It did not go down well with the leading improving musicians I attended with. Not because they felt the Hendirx work out of place but because they felt the approach the Kronos Quartet took traduced the essential musicallity of the work. For what it's worth, I was not so critical of their performance on that occasion but certainly found Kennedy's version far more in the spirit of Hendrix than that offered by the Kronos Quartet. I find it quite ironic that 'Car Sick' FM should baulk at the proposal to include the Hendrix piece in the planned concert. Good for Nigel Kennedy that he took this stand. If the Guardian piece accurately reflects Chi-chi Nwanoku's stance, I dont think it refects too well on her position in this dispute.
        Yes I was puzzled by that, but I think it may be one of those instances of needing the complete version of what she said in order to decide.
        Quite apart from the Hendrix aspect I was also struck by the CFM implication that Kennedy is only worth having on the programme if he plays Vivaldi 4 Seasons - and even then not his own conductor-less version.

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        • LHC
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          • Jan 2011
          • 1540

          #5
          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
          And we think Auntie is bad...
          I realise that the article won't be telling the whole story but enough comes out from it to make me wonder what planet CFM is on - and what the profile of its "desired audience" is.
          I do find this odd; Classic FM often play pop and rock music in ‘classical’ arrangements, so I’m not sure why the specific objection to an orchestral version of Little Wing.

          Perhaps it was because he wanted to play this instead of the Four Seasons, and Classic FM have been advertising the concert as a chance to hear him play the Four Seasons for months, and so refused to change the advertised programme at such short notice.

          Edited to add that it’s a Gubbay-style concert of popular classics including Rachmaninov 2nd PC as well as the Four Seasons and which ends with the 1812 Overture accompanied with ‘lights and fireworks’. I can see why Classic FM might think that Little Wing might not be a good fit in that context, particularly given that the concert has been advertised and sold as including the Four Seasons.
          Last edited by LHC; 20-09-21, 08:53.
          "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
          Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #6
            Just goes to show, doesn’t it?
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • kernelbogey
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              • Nov 2010
              • 5658

              #7
              I thought this worth posting if only for the 'Jurassic' witticism!

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 29926

                #8
                On the other hand, there might seem to be a bit of hypocrisy in the "segregation" remark in this context. As a classical musician he is often 'widening the horizons' of classical audiences (well done - people don't have to listen if they don't want to), but any segregation is still massively by the non-classical world. Ironically, the Kennedy concert would have fitted well with the Proms. But Classic FM don't have a whole season like the Proms. If they were at were at fault (and they were!), it was in not making clear the kind of programme they wanted for their audience.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • oddoneout
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                  • Nov 2015
                  • 8989

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LHC View Post
                  I do find this odd; Classic FM often play pop and rock music in ‘classical’ arrangements, so I’m not sure why the specific objection to an orchestral version of Little Wing.

                  Perhaps it was because he wanted to play this instead of the Four Seasons, and Classic FM have been advertising the concert as a chance to hear him play the Four Seasons for months, and so refused to change the advertised programme at such short notice.

                  Edited to add that it’s a Gubbay-style concert of popular classics including Rachmaninov 2nd PC as well as the Four Seasons and which ends with the 1812 Overture accompanied with ‘lights and fireworks’. I can see why Classic FM might think that Little Wing might not be a good fit in that context, particularly given that the concert has been advertised and sold as including the Four Seasons.
                  I got the impression they could still have had him as "4 Seasons Kennedy" if they hadn't insisted on it being conducted
                  According to Kennedy, he finally decided to pull out after being told that he would not receive adequate rehearsal time, alongside Classic FM telling him how to perform The Four Seasons.He said: “They were telling me that I had to do it with a conductor, which I’ve never done.

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                  • oddoneout
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                    • Nov 2015
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    I thought this worth posting if only for the 'Jurassic' witticism!
                    Yes, that's going to stick in my mind.
                    Looking through the listings for this morning's Breakfast I wonder how much of it would get through the (management perceived) CFM audience filter. Rather glad to think that having heard and enjoyed the programme that probably means I'm not CFM's "desired audience".

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                    • cloughie
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22072

                      #11
                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                      Yes, that's going to stick in my mind.
                      Looking through the listings for this morning's Breakfast I wonder how much of it would get through the (management perceived) CFM audience filter. Rather glad to think that having heard and enjoyed the programme that probably means I'm not CFM's "desired audience".
                      Perhaps that’s why Petroc came back to the BBC all those years ago. I bet Robert Johnson wouldn’t get a look in on CFM! (Essential Classics this morning).

                      Interesting though I don’ think we should big up the Beeb on Hendrix’ music. Rarely gets played nowadays as it was pre 1970 and thus considered too old!

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                      • Old Grumpy
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3545

                        #12
                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                        Yes, that's going to stick in my mind.
                        Looking through the listings for this morning's Breakfast I wonder how much of it would get through the (management perceived) CFM audience filter. Rather glad to think that having heard and enjoyed the programme that probably means I'm not CFM's "desired audience".
                        Obviously not relaxed or smooth enough!

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                        • Dave2002
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 17975

                          #13
                          Maybe we don't know all the details, but from what I've read here I'm with Nige 100%.

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                          • oddoneout
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 8989

                            #14
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            Perhaps that’s why Petroc came back to the BBC all those years ago. I bet Robert Johnson wouldn’t get a look in on CFM! (Essential Classics this morning).

                            Interesting though I don’ think we should big up the Beeb on Hendrix’ music. Rarely gets played nowadays as it was pre 1970 and thus considered too old!
                            Don't think anyone was? It would be interesting to know how Kennedy's proposal might have been received by the Beeb though, especially if Chineke! was actually on board.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 29926

                              #15
                              Reading the article again, I don't have much sympathy with Kennedy. We may not have all the facts, but are we to understand that two days or three days before the concert, Classic FM were unaware that he 'intended' to play the Hendrix work? As far as Chineke! was concerned, Chi Chi Nwanoku said it 'wasn't up to us' to decide what they played: it was for Classic FM, since it was their annual concert. Given the amount of airtime they'd given to playing Kennedy's Four Seasons, no wonder that was what they'd engaged him to play.

                              Not sure what to make of the conductor business: Chineke! were happy with him directing - not exactly unheard of for a violinist to play and direct. We're only given Kennedy's side of the story since Classic FM 'declined to comment'. The 'Less said, soonest mended' approach? Some exaggeration in his "Hendrix is all right in the Marquee Club, but not in the Albert Hall" comment. Nothing to do with being in the Albert Hall, was it?
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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