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  • teamsaint
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    • Nov 2010
    • 25302

    #16
    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
    All good points, ts. It's coming up to two years since I retired in December 2019 and the world I expected to retire into just vanished, almost overnight, and it doesn't look like coming back in the foreseeable future, if ever. The concerts I had lined up post-retirement simply disappeared and I've not been to a concert since Haitink's Proms farewell with the VPO in September 2019 and seriously doubt whether I have the will or desire to go again. This is something I never, ever thought I'd be saying and it's a measure of the massive change that has taken place but I've been attending classical concerts since 1972 and now I don't want to go any more!
    Sad, but understandable . Strangely I also find myself less enthusiastic to go to hear live music,but for different reasons to you I suspect.
    I think FWIW, that the emasculation of the arts sector, a reduction in the direction of a small centrally funded and compliant elite group, will be , for many politicians , a good thing .

    Anyway, I’m hoping to be at Basingstoke for an Alpine Symphony in two weeks time. I hope you feel ready to be back hearing live music very soon, Pet.
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
      • 7278

      #17
      As some one who listens to Radio 3 09.00 to 22.00 most days I often start threads based on an Afternoon concert or Performance on Three after a good concert.It’s surprising how little response you get compared to a general critical comment on a sequence programme.

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22273

        #18
        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
        As some one who listens to Radio 3 09.00 to 22.00 most days I often start threads based on an Afternoon concert or Performance on Three after a good concert.It’s surprising how little response you get compared to a general critical comment on a sequence programme.
        EIF has not featured too much either hereabouts!

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        • Petrushka
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12437

          #19
          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
          As some one who listens to Radio 3 09.00 to 22.00 most days I often start threads based on an Afternoon concert or Performance on Three after a good concert.It’s surprising how little response you get compared to a general critical comment on a sequence programme.
          Don't make the mistake that your comments are not read or appreciated! Writing about music and trying to communicate what you found good/bad about it other than I enjoyed/didn't enjoy it is really very difficult. I'd rate music as being the most difficult thing to write about and even harder to make it interesting.
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26628

            #20
            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
            Don't make the mistake that your comments are not read or appreciated! Writing about music and trying to communicate what you found good/bad about it other than I enjoyed/didn't enjoy it is really very difficult. I'd rate music as being the most difficult thing to write about and even harder to make it interesting.
            Agreed! I often read and appreciate postings without feeling I have anything to add!
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • cloughie
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              • Dec 2011
              • 22273

              #21
              Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
              Agreed! I often read and appreciate postings without feeling I have anything to add!
              My #15520 on the What Classical thread is a good example - shows my appreciation on hearing a piece but probably excites nobody unless thy happened to hear it. For all I know others may have thought it was a poor performance of a mundane piece. For all I know I could be on most people’s ignore list!

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              • gradus
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                • Nov 2010
                • 5667

                #22
                Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                Agreed! I often read and appreciate postings without feeling I have anything to add!
                That's what I think too.

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                • pastoralguy
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7918

                  #23
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  EIF has not featured too much either hereabouts!
                  To be honest, the tickets were simply too expensive! £37 for an hour of music in an environment where good acoustics are not guaranteed as well as extraneous noises such as rain, sirens and general traffic meant that for the first time ever I felt excluded from the EIF.

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                  • cloughie
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                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22273

                    #24
                    Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                    To be honest, the tickets were simply too expensive! £37 for an hour of music in an environment where good acoustics are not guaranteed as well as extraneous noises such as rain, sirens and general traffic meant that for the first time ever I felt excluded from the EIF.
                    I was thinking more on any comments on this week’s evening concerts on R3 now broadcast after the end of the Proms!

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                    • Stanfordian
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 9364

                      #25
                      Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                      To be honest, the tickets were simply too expensive! £37 for an hour of music in an environment where good acoustics are not guaranteed as well as extraneous noises such as rain, sirens and general traffic meant that for the first time ever I felt excluded from the EIF.
                      A friend of mine said recently that he wasn't going to live performances yet with all the restrictions in place as, 'they are to be enjoyed not endured.

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                      • edashtav
                        Full Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 3680

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                        Agreed! I often read and appreciate postings without feeling I have anything to add!
                        Exactly.

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 13028

                          #27
                          I wish R3 would brig back the 'Brains Trust'.
                          NOT, rpt NOT, a R3 'Question Time' / 'Any Questions', but a proper exchange between really top brains.
                          Might generate comment?

                          And 'classical thread' uptake might be better / more challenging if much of R3's day time > evening offers were not so predictably baroque /early classical, designed to to soothe / not flutter the pigeons. How do that is tricky indeed, or even if it's a good idea....? ! Even trickier.

                          The online classical stns I listen to have found all manners of ways of re-animating what I had always thought of as standard repertoire through canny research.
                          e.g. https://areena.yle.fi/audio/ohjelmat/yle-klassinen which constantly surprises me with both new composers and ensembles, as well as in repertoire of standard composes I thought I knew well but which I had had little or no knowledge after a lifetime of listening to BBC R3.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30822

                            #28
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            I was thinking more on any comments on this week’s evening concerts on R3 now broadcast after the end of the Proms!
                            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                            I wish R3 would brig back the 'Brains Trust'.
                            NOT, rpt NOT, a R3 'Question Time' / 'Any Questions', but a proper exchange between really top brains.
                            Might generate comment?

                            And 'classical thread' uptake might be better / more challenging if much of R3's day time > evening offers were not so predictably baroque /early classical, designed to to soothe / not flutter the pigeons. How do that is tricky indeed, or even if it's a good idea....? ! Even trickier.

                            The online classical stns I listen to have found all manners of ways of re-animating what I had always thought of as standard repertoire through canny research.
                            e.g. https://areena.yle.fi/audio/ohjelmat/yle-klassinen which constantly surprises me with both new composers and ensembles, as well as in repertoire of standard composes I thought I knew well but which I had had little or no knowledge after a lifetime of listening to BBC R3.
                            Taking both comments together: I agree. There's no logic to widening the classical music discussion to include any classical music people feel enthusiastic about, or their latest discovery; while at the same time expecting those who want to discuss any other subjects to curb their enthusiasms and join the music discussions. Those who want more discussion on classical music must do what they can and see what others want (and allowing for masks or football).
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Lordgeous
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 841

                              #29
                              I long for the 'golden' days of Antony Hopkins, John Amis, Interpretations on Record, etc. etc. Record Review tries but rarely comes close. Now i AM sounding old!

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                              • kernelbogey
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5882

                                #30
                                I wish R3 would bri[n]g back the 'Brains Trust'.
                                I suppose that any such move would be regarded by current R3 management as hopelessly retrogade nostalgia. (Though I agree with the underlying idea of the wish.)

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