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  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    #16
    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
    A couple of cheerful titles from Jonathan Harvey - 'Death of Light/Light of Death' and 'Wheel of Emptiness'.
    Yes, but JH's titles are very expressive and apt to the music..... to wit:

    Madonna of Winter and Spring

    Mortuos Plango, Vivos Voco

    Both marvellous - once heard never forgotten....

    It is another fascination with later 20thC music, the developing tendency to try to find titles to give some idea of expressive and/or technical content...
    Why was that?

    One reason why a truly great symphonist like Robert Simpson can seem "out of time" with his plain numbering.....
    ... yet he still wrote Eppur si move and Volcano...

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 11123

      #17
      Sallinen's piece Aspects of the Funeral March of Hintriki Peltoniemi doesn't exactly sound like it would be a barrel of laughs.

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      • Roslynmuse
        Full Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 1256

        #18
        Elisabeth Lutyens' Excerpta tractus-logico philosophici is clearly a prime candidate for programming by Jorja or Celeste.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30519

          #19
          Mosolov, The Iron Foundry
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22206

            #20
            Depending on the avian species and location in the garden Toru Takemitsu’s ‘A flock descends into a Pentagonal Garden’ could be forbidding!

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37861

              #21
              Henze: Essay on Pigs

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              • Richard Barrett
                Guest
                • Jan 2016
                • 6259

                #22
                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                Henze: Essay on Pigs
                Come on, S_A, you must know that Henze did much better than that with his The Tedious Way to the Place of Natascha Ungeheuer, that's enough to put anyone off (although it's anything but tedious actually).

                On the subject of Jonathan Harvey I did once see a performance of a work of his for vocal ensemble simply entitled Come, which was something of an eyebrow-raiser. In Rosslyn Hill Chapel too, as I remember. Of course it is often a challenge for composers to invent titles if their work isn't written in traditional forms like symphonies and concertos. Although some such composers do make an exception for string quartets and are content just to number them (thinking here of Dillon and Ferneyhough, neither of whom would be caught dead writing a "symphony").

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                • LMcD
                  Full Member
                  • Sep 2017
                  • 8697

                  #23
                  Mark-Anthony Turnage: Three Screaming Popes ... I don't know, you wait ages for a screaming pope and then three turn up ....

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30519

                    #24
                    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                    Mark-Anthony Turnage: Three Screaming Popes ... I don't know, you wait ages for a screaming pope and then three turn up ....


                    It may be sort of intriguing, but I don't find Benjamin's Written on Skin very appealing as a title.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8697

                      #25
                      I feel the same way about Birtwistle's 'For O, For O, The Hobby Horse Is Forgot' - or is it just that it reminds me of certain scenes in 'The Wicker Man'?
                      I guess it's no coincidence that many of the titles offered are those of works by modern composers, some of whose works challenge established forms and therefore require titles that reflect the new directions which these works take.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37861

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        Come on, S_A, you must know that Henze did much better than that with his The Tedious Way to the Place of Natascha Ungeheuer, that's enough to put anyone off (although it's anything but tedious actually).
                        I changed my mind! I have that LP with Stomu Yamash'ta performing on crumpled car. It also has my favourite brass ensemble music - staggering, in all senses!

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #27
                          If you fancy a digitization, it's in the Henze Complete DG recordings box, where the title on the box itself simply reads "Natacha Ungeheuer". Not an easy set to find, these days, however. Maybe a PM might help. After all, you have already paid for the recording on vinyl.

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                          • Roslynmuse
                            Full Member
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 1256

                            #28
                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                            I feel the same way about Birtwistle's 'For O, For O, The Hobby Horse Is Forgot' - or is it just that it reminds me of certain scenes in 'The Wicker Man'?
                            I guess it's no coincidence that many of the titles offered are those of works by modern composers, some of whose works challenge established forms and therefore require titles that reflect the new directions which these works take.
                            I love that title (Shakespeare), possibly - now you mention it - also subliminally because of Edward Woodward resonances!

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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8697

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                              I love that title (Shakespeare), possibly - now you mention it - also subliminally because of Edward Woodward resonances!
                              It was reportedly Christopher Lee's favourite among his films - I loved the remark about the joy of meeting a straight (or was it honest?) copper.

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                              • MickyD
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 4835

                                #30
                                How about the macabre 'Tableau de l'Opération de la Taille' by Marais? A blow by blow account for viola da gamba of the operation for the removal of a gall-stone.

                                Listening to this, having just undergone surgery myself a couple of days ago, I feel distinctly thankful that I live in the 21st century.

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