Vibrato - indications

[Dave2002]

I'm sure I've seen markings such as senza vib. in scores, and the corresponding con vib., but are there specific marks which are used to indicate vibrato, and types of vibrato for different instruments?
Some players might mark up their own parts with various lines to help them to play with or without slow or fast or wide or narrow vibrato in certain passages, but are there any standard markings?

[mikealdren]

I can't think that I've ever seen anything other than Con and Senza Vib and they are quite rare - usually added at the conductor's request rather than by the composer. As to slow, wide etc, conductors often do a vibrato impression to ask for more but that's really the limit. IMHO most players don't really have a wide range of vibrato types - even top soloists!

Quartet players probably do the most subtle variations.

[Ein Heldenleben]

In Liszt’s PIANO transcription of the Schumann song Widmung there is in the final bars the instruction CON VIBRATO . What does Liszt mean by this ? . I be tried pressing my fingers on the keys and waggling them ostentatiously from side to side like Yehudi Menuhin but no pitch change . Seriously does he mean it to be played with flamboyant over expression ?

[LeMartinPecheur]

In Liszt’s PIANO transcription of the Schumann song Widmung there is in the final bars the instruction CON VIBRATO . What does Liszt mean by this ? . I be tried pressing my fingers on the keys and waggling them ostentatiously from side to side like Yehudi Menuhin but no pitch change . Seriously does he mean it to be played with flamboyant over expression ?

Reviving Bebung? Might work...

[Bryn]

In Liszt’s PIANO transcription of the Schumann song Widmung there is in the final bars the instruction CON VIBRATO . What does Liszt mean by this ? . I be tried pressing my fingers on the keys and waggling them ostentatiously from side to side like Yehudi Menuhin but no pitch change . Seriously does he mean it to be played with flamboyant over expression ?

[Serial_Apologist]

When it came to playing or not playing with vibrato, jazz trumpeter Miles Davis's teacher offered him the following: "You got plenty of time to shake when you get old".

[Bryn]

From a comment on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwltP3qhDPk :

"vibrato on the piano is the fast changing of the pedal..."

[Ein Heldenleben]

I’ve been googling a few piano buff web fora . The feeling is that Liszt means a kind of tremolo which isn’t exactly a tremolo - more of a fast arpeggio . Flutter pedalling doesn’t work if you ask me....

[vinteuil]

In Liszt’s PIANO transcription of the Schumann song Widmung there is in the final bars the instruction CON VIBRATO . What does Liszt mean by this ? . I be tried pressing my fingers on the keys and waggling them ostentatiously from side to side like Yehudi Menuhin but no pitch change . Seriously does he mean it to be played with flamboyant over expression ?

... as leMartinPêcheur hinted, Liszt obviously wrote this piece for the clavichord

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

In Liszt’s Chapelle de Guillaume Tell, the word is written above a rapid tremolo.

[Ein Heldenleben]

In Liszt’s Chapelle de Guillaume Tell, the word is written above a rapid tremolo.

Yes that’s right - the debate appears to be about the rapidity of the tremolo . Getting into Bach trill territory in places ....

[vinteuil]

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... perhaps Liszt wasn't thinking of a clavichord after all. It must have been a Geigenwerck -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowed_clavier

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