Rattle To Leave LSO?

[Bert]

Judge not, lest ye be judged........

If you would keep your Bible to yourself, thank you ...

https://yannicknezetseguin.com/en/news/

He'd be great here, and he loves it when he visits ....
YNS is doing a great deal during this crisis, for musicians young and old....

And to write of Rattle "bailing now" is unfair. He is honouring his LSO contract to 2023. Doubtless with guest appearances afterward. He has made several excellent recordings, not least a remarkable Bruckner 6 and the Debussy Pelléas. He has always been explicit in his support for music, music education, and musicians under pressure, in 2020 and before.

He's a good musician, I just don't think he's a very nice man ....... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...by-Rattle.html

God knows, if I could afford to relocate into Europe, I would do so very quickly....

Relevance???????

[Leinster Lass]

Judge not, lest ye be judged........

https://yannicknezetseguin.com/en/news/

YNS is doing a great deal during this crisis, for musicians young and old....

And to write of Rattle "bailing now" is unfair. He is honouring his LSO contract to 2023. Doubtless with guest appearances afterward. He has made several excellent recordings, not least a remarkable Bruckner 6 and the Debussy Pelléas. He has always been explicit in his support for music, music education, and musicians under pressure, in 2020 and before.

God knows, if I could afford to relocate into Europe, I would do so very quickly....

More than enough, surely, to compensate for any failings - if that's what they are - in his personal life.
I'd love to see Marin Alsop back in charge of a UK orchestra.

[ahinton]

You presume to comment on other people's personal relationships about which you know little or nothing? And judge them by the very faulty value system of gender stereotype and idée reçus? What makes such a choice "disgraceful"?

Rattle was 53 when he married Kožená, who was 35. What is an "acceptable" age gap between two people, in your opinion? How does one arrive at such a "rule"?

Then segueing from that into some notion of artistic infidelity is just ridiculous. And if you are "glad to see the back of him" you can't have listened to his remarkable CBSO catalogue terribly closely, as I did, month on month, year on year - having followed his career since he began to conduct my own local orchestra, the RLPO, the 1970s. It was clear early on that this was a very extraordinary talent.

Of course it is a shame if he is not extending his LSO tenure. Perhaps Berlin wasn't the best match for him; the recorded legacy there is very uneven. Though many of his live (often adventurous) performances in the DCH showed otherwise; at times, it could be wonderful. But the orchestra is very gifted, very wilful; not the easiest to....persuade.
It always takes two....

Very well said, Jayne!

[Bert]

I'd love to see Marin Alsop back in charge of a UK orchestra.

That would be special!

[ahinton]

If you would keep your Bible to yourself, thank you ...

A gratuitous and wholly unnecessary comment...

[Leinster Lass]

A gratuitous and wholly unnecessary comment...

Let's all play nicely, now!

[Bert]

A gratuitous and wholly unnecessary comment...

When people seek to chastise with reference to the Bible, they can expect some polite but firm pushback ...

[teamsaint]

I think lockdown is starting to tell on us all.

[Leinster Lass]

I think lockdown is starting to tell on us all.

Let's hope not too many people's cages get Rattled, eh?

[Bert]

A gratuitous and wholly unnecessary comment...

At the risk of appearing a tad pedantic, is not a gratuitous comment unnecessary by definition?

[Leinster Lass]

At the risk of appearing a tad pedantic, is not a gratuitous comment unnecessary by definition?

(sigh)

I've heard that what REALLY swung it was the offer of season tickets for life from Europe's finest soccer team, Bayern Munich.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Already bailed from London's other great symphony orch somewhat abruptly (tho he did numerous excellent concerts with the LPO prior). He cited no longer wanting to do Atlantic-hopping. Has he ever conducted the LSO?

Hardly likely to want to quit his $$$$ NY Met job for a relatively impoverished London one. The LSO probably can't afford to pay him 1/10th of what the Met does, or at least did. Especially now. If and when they ever get back to giving actual proper concerts...

The biggest loss for the LSO with Rattle is not musical IMV, but connections, influence, cachet. They seem to be the one UK orch with some sort of line into govt - inasumch as the govt seems to actually know they exist unlike every other UK orch. The only other such institution with any apparent influence is the ROH - and there it is probably wielded by their largely invisible wealthy well-connected backers rather than any of the artistic staff.

Until rather recently YN-S seems to have said or done disappointingly little about the plight of "his" musicians in the Met orchestra.

They'll never need it more than now or rather 6? months time in a best-case scenario. Then, they have to try to find a way to get back to performing in a financially viable way, probably in the teeth of a gigantic recession. Good luck with that. As such, it is rather disappointing timing for Rattle to bail now. Hopefully he will continue to try to use whatever influence he does have for the time being.

There are no obvious big names left to choose from anyway. As someone with a ~20 concert a year LSO habit prior to Mar/20, IMV the best run of concerts in recent years came between the Gergiev and Rattle tenures. They were audibly relieved to be shot of Gergiev, but with Rattle already coming regularly had presumably started to experience actual rehearsal again... Meanwhile, a whole series of guest conductors came mostly doing the repertoire they were suited to - rather than an MD figure trying to be an all-rounder.

Expect Norman Lebrecht to suggest Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla any moment now. Could do worse.

Meanwhile, there are bigger problems in the world...

Can I congratulate you on a very sensible and temperate comment? I went to three Gergiev LSO concerts . In one the woodwind were inaudible throughout; another was the loudest Shostakovich symphony I’ve ever heard and not in a nice way. Another was a Brahms symphony which must have been the worst professional performance of Brahms I’ve ever heard - the orchestra were bored and it showed.

[Serial_Apologist]

(sigh)

Apart from which (sigh from me) if something or action is gratuitous, that would not automatically make it unnecessary, so that statement was not tautological. Also (while on the case) the injunction "Judge not lest ye be judged" is a universal principle - one of not questioning something in another one overlooks in oneself.

[jayne lee wilson]

If you would keep your Bible to yourself, thank you ...



He'd be great here, and he loves it when he visits ....
YNS is doing a great deal during this crisis, for musicians young and old....



He's a good musician, I just don't think he's a very nice man ....... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...by-Rattle.html



Relevance???????

A 16-year-old Daily Mail Gossip column? Seriously? Though I doubt that YNS would be a fan...

The Holy Bible might be even more necessary than I thought....suitably edited, of course.....

[ahinton]

At the risk of appearing a tad pedantic, is not a gratuitous comment unnecessary by definition?

Indeed - so doubly so, then! Were you not taughtology when you were at school?(!)...