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No, no. We now live in the land of Brexit. Only true Brits may be considered.
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Probably have to be from England!Originally posted by Bryn View PostNo, no. We now live in the land of Brexit. Only true Brits may be considered.Comment
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He's commonwealthOriginally posted by Bryn View PostNo, no. We now live in the land of Brexit. Only true Brits may be considered.
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We must stop viewing everything through a Brexit prism - life goes on .....Originally posted by cloughie View PostComment
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Sorry misread (link deleted) - I thought Stormin' Norman would have been on to it at once!It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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I'd expect that the LSO will pay above the minimum salary required for experienced professionals to get a work visa in any case.........Originally posted by Bert View PostI will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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How many orchestras are going to survive to need to appoint conductors?Comment
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Woa...now THAT is very worrying!Comment
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Should have had confidence in my man: Norman has the latest.
(He even updated it again while I was posting)It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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Already bailed from London's other great symphony orch somewhat abruptly (tho he did numerous excellent concerts with the LPO prior). He cited no longer wanting to do Atlantic-hopping. Has he ever conducted the LSO?Originally posted by Bert View Post
Hardly likely to want to quit his $$$$ NY Met job for a relatively impoverished London one. The LSO probably can't afford to pay him 1/10th of what the Met does, or at least did. Especially now. If and when they ever get back to giving actual proper concerts...
The biggest loss for the LSO with Rattle is not musical IMV, but connections, influence, cachet. They seem to be the one UK orch with some sort of line into govt - inasumch as the govt seems to actually know they exist unlike every other UK orch. The only other such institution with any apparent influence is the ROH - and there it is probably wielded by their largely invisible wealthy well-connected backers rather than any of the artistic staff.
Until rather recently YN-S seems to have said or done disappointingly little about the plight of "his" musicians in the Met orchestra.
They'll never need it more than now or rather 6? months time in a best-case scenario. Then, they have to try to find a way to get back to performing in a financially viable way, probably in the teeth of a gigantic recession. Good luck with that. As such, it is rather disappointing timing for Rattle to bail now. Hopefully he will continue to try to use whatever influence he does have for the time being.
There are no obvious big names left to choose from anyway. As someone with a ~20 concert a year LSO habit prior to Mar/20, IMV the best run of concerts in recent years came between the Gergiev and Rattle tenures. They were audibly relieved to be shot of Gergiev, but with Rattle already coming regularly had presumably started to experience actual rehearsal again... Meanwhile, a whole series of guest conductors came mostly doing the repertoire they were suited to - rather than an MD figure trying to be an all-rounder.
Expect Norman Lebrecht to suggest Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla any moment now. Could do worse.
Meanwhile, there are bigger problems in the world...Comment
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I must endorse your comments, and especially about the difference Rattle made to the LSO when he joined them. Having suffered through too many ill-prepared, under-rehearsed and scrappily played concerts in Gergiev's final years with the LSO, what a pleasure it was to attend Rattle's first concerts, and to hear them once again playing like a world-class orchestra.Originally posted by Simon B View Post"I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
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Judge not, lest ye be judged........
YNS is doing a great deal during this crisis, for musicians young and old....
And to write of Rattle "bailing now" is unfair. He is honouring his LSO contract to 2023. Doubtless with guest appearances afterward. He has made several excellent recordings, not least a remarkable Bruckner 6 and the Debussy Pelléas. He has always been explicit in his support for music, music education, and musicians under pressure, in 2020 and before.
God knows, if I could afford to relocate into Europe, I would do so very quickly....Comment
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It's the situation with the New York Metropolitan Opera I'm referring to - he's shown commendable loyalty to the Orchestre Métropolitain, Montreal and Canadian musicians in general. That said, the situation with the NY Met generally is, to say the least, stark and has been rather peculiar in many respects for some time. It probably doesn't help that most of the coverage in the UK comes filtered through the lens of one N Lebrecht...Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostJudge not, lest ye be judged........
YNS is doing a great deal during this crisis, for musicians young and old....
And to write of Rattle "bailing now" is unfair. He is honouring his LSO contract to 2023. Doubles with gusts appearances afterward. He has always been explicit in his support for music, music education, and musicians under pressure, in 2020 and before.
God knows, if I could afford to relocate in to Europe, I would do so very quickly....
My poorly articulated point was - that this is by contrast with what Rattle has done for the LSO over the last year. There was a point last summer where both he (and thereby the LSO) managed to repeatedly get coverage in primetime TV news broadcasts in the UK. When was the last time that happened? This seems to be the result of Rattle persistently using the influence he has and with the guile of an experienced political operator. A consistent pattern and one to be commended. That underlines why the loss of that influence is so significant.
"Bailing" is just standard workplace lingo that I hear and use on a daily basis - no particular connotation beyond "announcing intent to leave" intended. I stand by that it is disappointing that he's announced his departure and that the timing is unfortunate, however understandable his reasons may be. He has, after all, tried to use his "leading British musician of his generation" status to get things done, e.g. getting concert halls built which surely wouldn't have been entirely altruistic endeavours on his part. With that comes responsibility which he has discharged in a perfectly reasonable fashion, but that still doesn't exclude hoping he'd have taken a different course.
To put it another way - while no criticism of Rattle may be justifiable, the effect is rather symbolic to say the least.Comment
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