Rattle To Leave LSO?

[Leinster Lass]

Agreed. Rattle's German Wiki gives some detail: He alternated between the two languages. He always started rehearsals German but needed to revert to English to get more detailed points across. He often promised he would start speaking German properly "after the summer break".

My wife told me she read somewhere that one of his children commented to him "You're the only person who understands your German."

I wish him good luck with Bavarian German.

Should be a doddle after Birmingham English!

[oddoneout]

Agreed. Rattle's German Wiki gives some detail: He alternated between the two languages. He always started rehearsals German but needed to revert to English to get more detailed points across. He often promised he would start speaking German properly "after the summer break".

My wife told me she read somewhere that one of his children commented to him "You're the only person who understands your German."

I wish him good luck with Bavarian German.

My German teacher was 'proud Preuzen' and was happy to share her view of the Bavarians with her classes. The area and the people seemed to occupy the same position in her Teutonic mind as the Irish did in this country at the time. We were treated to impressions of the manner of speaking and anecdotes to illustrate how funny their backwardness was. Things have moved on somewhat in the 50 years since I hope, at least with respect to what a teacher delivers in lessons. I really disliked learning German, but the alternative was Latin which seemed pointless even for those with Oxbridge intentions as it was on the way out as an entry requirement. On the plus side she was so thorough that I could remember enough to help my daughter when she decided to do German GCSE more than 25 years later and I can still remember fragments that sometimes come in useful for choir music.

[cloughie]

Should be a doddle after Birmingham English!

What do yaw mean?

[Leinster Lass]

I understand that Messrs Jurowksy and Pekka-Salonen will also be leaving London.

[LHC]

I understand that Messrs Jurowksy and Pekka-Salonen will also be leaving London.

Edward Gardner's appointment as Principal Conductor of the LPO, succeeding Vladimir Jurowski, was announced in July 2019, so his impending departure has been known for some time.

Similarly, Salonen's departure from the Philharmonia has been public knowledge since it was announced in December 2018, although like Rattle he will continue to have a close association with the Orchestra as conductor emeritus.

Given the length of both their tenures, I don't think it was a surprise that they were moving on in the same way that Rattle's move to the BRSO is. Both the LPO and Philharmonia were also able to announce who their new principal conductors were going to be at the same time. The LSO in contrast now have to find a new MD with only two years to do so.

[Richard Barrett]

The LSO in contrast now have to find a new MD with only two years to do so.

There are far more good conductors around than orchestras to employ them, so it really shouldn't be much of a problem!

[gurnemanz]

My German teacher was 'proud Preuzen' and was happy to share her view of the Bavarians with her classes. The area and the people seemed to occupy the same position in her Teutonic mind as the Irish did in this country at the time. We were treated to impressions of the manner of speaking and anecdotes to illustrate how funny their backwardness was. Things have moved on somewhat in the 50 years since I hope, at least with respect to what a teacher delivers in lessons. I really disliked learning German, but the alternative was Latin which seemed pointless even for those with Oxbridge intentions as it was on the way out as an entry requirement. On the plus side she was so thorough that I could remember enough to help my daughter when she decided to do German GCSE more than 25 years later and I can still remember fragments that sometimes come in useful for choir music.

Müncheners tend to mistrust any North German interlopers, sometimes referring to them as Saupreiß. For some, Prussia begins after Munich's northern suburbs. I spent a year in Bavaria near Nürnberg as part of my German degree and found the dialect tricky at first bit but ended up talking like them, causing amusement on occasion (eg saying Grüß Gott, the Bavarian version of Guten Tag) when I went back to UK for the final year of my degree. Nürnberg is officially part of Bavaria but is really Franconia and as such not fully accepted by many Müncheners.

[LHC]

Expect Norman Lebrecht to suggest Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla any moment now. Could do worse.

True to form, Storming Norman has now suggested Mirga alongside Pappano and Noseda (both of whom at least have an existing relationship with the LSO)

https://slippedisc.com/2021/01/after-rattle-where-does-the-lso-turn/

[Dave2002]

This article gives more information/detail - hopefully not too inaccurate or speculative - and also links to some streaming/recorded performances by Simon Rattle and orchestras he has conducted recently - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...081c74231415df

[oddoneout]

The LSO in contrast now have to find a new MD with only two years to do so.

Just as well the extension to 2023 was agreed then, rather than leaving at the end of the original 5 year contract? Would not the negotiations over that extension have given some indication that he might be moving sooner rather than later?

[Simon B]

Expect Norman Lebrecht to suggest Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla any moment now. Could do worse.

True to form, Storming Norman has now suggested Mirga alongside Pappano and Noseda (both of whom at least have an existing relationship with the LSO)

https://slippedisc.com/2021/01/after...-the-lso-turn/

Should have put a bet on it... They could do a lot worse. She's presided over outstanding performances from CBSO of some repertoire, Debussy, Szymanowski, Boulanger, Stravinsky, that sort of thing. Less so in more "standard" rep although as the urge to pull things about just because she can is maturing away that's become more convincing too. Including, to my surprise, 2x the most convincing Mahler 8 for some years. So, in some respects, rather similar to Rattle's trajectory then...

I (as a subscriber there too prior to the Mar/20 transition from living to existing) hope she doesn't leave the CBSO though. She appears to be marketing and sponsorship dynamite - and while the LSO's financial situation is troubling, they are knee deep in cash compared with the CBSO who don't have the wealthy City institutions to hopefully bail them out either.

The name of the game is survival at this point IMV - not the nuances of who does structural coherence in Bruckner best...

[Leinster Lass]

"Thrice-married". So what? How often is too often?

Are you a paragon of virtuous commitment? Is anyone? What does such a concept mean anyway? Was it a wise decision for Juliet to fall in love with Romeo?
How do the impassioned impulses of the human heart in personal relationships relate to cultural, artistic and of course pragmatic decisions about where to perform, where to commit?
(NB - the answers to this, like truth itself, may not be pure or simple...)....

I dunno, Norman Lebrecht and The Daily Mail as your moral guidance?........
This thread has gone very low.....

Do calm down, love!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Should have put a bet on it... They could do a lot worse. She's presided over outstanding performances from CBSO of some repertoire, Debussy, Szymanowski, Boulanger, Stravinsky, that sort of thing. Less so in more "standard" rep although as the urge to pull things about just because she can is maturing away that's become more convincing too. Including, to my surprise, 2x the most convincing Mahler 8 for some years. So, in some respects, rather similar to Rattle's trajectory then...

I (as a subscriber there too prior to the Mar/20 transition from living to existing) hope she doesn't leave the CBSO though. She appears to be marketing and sponsorship dynamite - and while the LSO's financial situation is troubling, they are knee deep in cash compared with the CBSO who don't have the wealthy City institutions to hopefully bail them out either.

The name of the game is survival at this point IMV - not the nuances of who does structural coherence in Bruckner best...

Your last sentence says it all . I think worries over Rattle’s departure and other comings and goings are firmly in the Titanic (deckchair rearrangement committee) department . I can’t see how the UK orchestral scene can hang on to all of even the relatively small provision it has. If anything London is the most vulnerable- I think the over 60 element of the audience will not be flooding back unless the virus is completely crushed. The income orchestras get from recording contracts is a fraction of what it was in the 60’s / 70’s ; their film work has been undercut by East European orchestras and computers. They are all competing for a limited pile of wealthy donors who will soon be facing big tax bills and they are at the end of a long line for state handouts. Trying to see a silver lining but struggling....

[jayne lee wilson]

Do calm down, love!

I'll take this from you, my dear, but from anyone else.....!! The acid invective awaits....
Oh, you got off lightly here.....

And as I said......
If MGT (very unwisely!) left the CBSO for the LSO as Lebrecht suggested (you will note his moralising self-contradiction), would she then receive similar censure on this thread?

Anyway, exhausted after the trek to the far woods.....and not a clue what to eat or drink..... I guess soup is the usual answer....

[Keraulophone]

It's like Belloc never existed...

‘There is a Canon which confines
A Rhymed Octosyllabic Curse
If written in Iambic Verse
To fifty lines. I never cut;
I far prefer to end it—but
Believe me I shall soon return.
My fires are banked, but still they burn
To write some more about the Don
That dared attack my Chesterton.’

And, on topic... I would merely add that I think we should take Sir Simon at his word when he states that his move back to Germany is for (very understandable) personal reasons.