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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostAs long as alternating tones and semitones are observed, does it matter?
I come back to an assertion I made earlier about modern expectations. Working on a short piece which has a planned modulation - slight surprise - I thought I'd deliberatedly transpose that section to several different keys to perceive the effect.
What I noted was the following - it was not an exhaustive test:
In one case the modulation actually removed the surprise element - checking later I think this showed that this was because there was a major/miinor relationship between the keys for the modified section.
In most cases there was a surprise, but my 20/21st Century ears were not overly alarmed by any of them. Some were perhaps slightly odder, but not truly horrible.
What I also noted was that sometimes the return back to the main section was more problematic (uglier? Maybe that's not quite the word, but more of a jarring nature ..) and if I wanted a smooth return back that would require some attention.
So I am coming to the conclusion that not all modulations are going to be noticed (by all listeners, though those with very sensitive musical acuity will notice - people like David Owen Norris, who seems to notice every change even in every bar, perhaps ....), whereas some are effective at changing the mood and giving an element of surprise - if indeed that is what the composer wants listeners to experience, or perhaps just to keep their interest and limit their tendency to fall asleep or switch off.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostSo I am coming to the conclusion that not all modulations are going to be noticed (by all listeners, though those with very sensitive musical acuity will notice
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Postinviting the listener into its world of enharmonic ambiguity which, for me, hindsightedly, prepares the way for atonality rather than new tonal territory.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostThe more prolonged a key transition, the less noticeable, I would suppose - the post-Wagnerian chromatic way of transitioning from chord to chord by way of passing notes inviting the listener into its world of enharmonic ambiguity which, for me, hindsightedly, prepares the way for atonality rather than new tonal territory. When it comes to "modern music" I've always felt divided between these two polarities in my loyalties. Frequent modulations, making for constant tonal instability, (as in "when will the music settle and decide which way it wants to go?), for which Reger has in my view been unjustly accused of over-use, are perhaps better suited to small scale forms than large canvasses, when continual modulation can be exhausting.
So I am coming to the conclusion that not all modulations are going to be noticed ...
Where you mention a "prolonged key transition" are you suggesting a fairly long sequence passing through different keys? Depending on how that is done, if each change is of the "not very noticeable" kind, then many people might not notice. At that point the composer can choose to remind them by making an obvious (surprise?) kind of transition back to base, or alternatively do another lengthy sequence back to the original key, which again might appear to be seamless.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostSome modulations may be hardly noticed at all, whereas others will have an obvious element of "surprise" - a fairly sudden change. However, there may be several possiblities for such surprise modulations - so many people will notice them, but not necessarily be able to distinguish strongly between them. Some may sound slightly stranger than others, which might be noted.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostActually I'll modify or add a comment on my original statement slightly -
Some modulations may be hardly noticed at all, whereas others will have an obvious element of "surprise" - a fairly sudden change. However, there may be several possiblities for such surprise modulations - so many people will notice them, but not necessarily be able to distinguish strongly between them. Some may sound slightly stranger than others, which might be noted.
Where you mention a "prolonged key transition" are you suggesting a fairly long sequence passing through different keys? Depending on how that is done, if each change is of the "not very noticeable" kind, then many people might not notice. At that point the composer can choose to remind them by making an obvious (surprise?) kind of transition back to base, or alternatively do another lengthy sequence back to the original key, which again might appear to be seamless.
This was going to happen through many different means in the wake of "Tristan" - Sibelius's and Nielsen's very different uses of prolonged pedal notes to define tonal regions where the overlying harmonic movements may be less clear, which composers of many persuasions, from Vaughan Williams to Robert Simpson, took up; the growing independence of contrapuntal part movements in many of Reger's chamber works providing, in part, examples Schoenberg was to take up and carry to the logical end-point of non-resolution. When one gets onto composers who reverted to modal, pre-diatonic ways of conceiving music and shaping chords, especially their devising of new modes, and constructing chords out of them - the motto theme of Debussy's "La mer" being an early instance of this - in the musics of Bartok and Messiaen, to name just two, we are I would argue going beyond modulation in the sense evolved from Monteverdi onwards of narrative-unfolding, though Debussy (and his French contemporaries like Ravel, Satie and Roussel) retained post 1600-styled diatonic means of creating and releasing tension as part of his rich, heterogeneous vocabulary.
Revealingly, pop music of the post-1955 period has largely eschewed subtle usages of combinations of diatonic and modal formulations harmonically, with notable sometimes unintended exceptions: John Lennon baulking at musicologists' reference to "pandiatonic clusters" in one or another of the Beatles tunes; David Bedford drawing the attention of Madness to the unprepared modulations of their 1981 hit "Our House", which had been arrived at purely empirically by their pianist improvising and had not been thought of as "ground-breaking". Of course, we can speculate on why it is that pop music has limited harmonic interest!* World Music enthusiasts - well, many of them - will argue that harmony is of minor consideration in any putative hierarchy of stylistic inputs; but it is interesting to listen out for what one might regard as "advanced" harmonic practices in what the Western racist mindset of the past would have viewed as primitive musics. When I was in the process of excavating my own belief systems from such grooming, I acquired an LP of one of the volumes of recordings of the jazz concerts at the Carnegie Hall organised by John Hammond in 1938/9, to which he invited the most cutting edge jazz musicians and bands of the time to perform in alternation with "primitive" rural blues singers and a capella Gospel singing groups from the Deep South. One thing immediately apparent about the so-called "primitive" bluesmen was how subtle and advanced their harmonic thinking was, both in its own right but, equally importantly, in relation to its internal rhythm and its pacing. In some ways the 12-bar formulation picked up by jazz and later by rock 'n' roll amounted to a delimitation of its original harmonic form to the familiar 1-4/5/4/1 tonic-subdominant-dominant-subdominant form accommodated by what is in fact narrow European diatonic theoretical practice!
We really have to hand it to American black musicians for having devised this simple harmonic framework as a basis for saying so much that identified "the human condition", and which jazz, and popular music at its best, has evolved into the subtle and complex forms developed in jazz and the musics it has influenced since the 1920s. But that was in part attributable to "modernism".. Gauguin, anyone? Picasso??
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostOf course (adding to my previous post) the context of some modulation or another isn't just a matter of longer-term structural relationships but also the way that the other aspects of the music are unfolding, since music generally doesn't consist of a sequence of chords of equal duration. There are usually considerations of some combination of melodic structure, rhythm, counterpoint, timbre, dynamic etc. etc. to bear in mind too, let alone the "extramusical" context. Music psychologists often like to conduct "controlled experiments" which concentrate on one of these by excluding all the others, but actually real-life music is never so simple, or hardly ever.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostRavel composed his "Daphnis" in 1911, and Diaghilev found great difficulties in instructing the dancers of the Ballets russes to find their feet around bars written in 5/4, and Stravinsky his "Le sacre" a year and a bit later, in which rhythmic and harmonic disjunction went hand-in-hand.
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostThe development of harmony in Western music required notation, which in turn required rhythmic simplification, in comparison say to south Indian (Karnatic) music which concentrates its complexity not in harmony but in melodic and particularly rhythmic sophistication. Western notation has of course expanded its vocabulary to encode things like complexly nested rhythms and microtones that it stayed away from for a long time. Of course it isn't coincidental that the revolutionising of Western music in the years around 1900 took place at a time when colonialism had made the classical musics of other cultures more familiar in the West than previously.
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