Mozart PC No 27

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

My post is still there, Mario, as number 2 in the thread.
It was later ones (yes, from cloughie) that mysteriously disappeared, and I think that you are right that they might have mentioned the later concertos, but so has Dave.
Your post prompted me to listen to PC9 (as mentioned on the What classical music......thread), and I followed it up by listening to PC23 (Perahia/English Chamber Orchestra).

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[Mario]

OK, EA, thanks for the explanation. Shame that they did this, as I found their contributions useful, and was going to act on them accordingly.

Mario

[Rolmill]

...most of the ones after 17 are worth hearing/knowing - particularly concertos 20 to 27, and number 23 in A seems to be a favourite with many people.

(my bold)

In fact, No.17 in G itself is one of my favourites (especially the delightful first movement) - so I would say that almost all of them after No.16 are worth knowing (never really got on with No.26 for some reason)!

[Edgy 2]

Where next Auferstehen ?
Treat yourself to a copy of Horowitz/Guilini in No 23
Pure gold

[Petrushka]

Alfred Brendel is my touchstone in the Mozart Piano Concertos, the ASMF/Marriner recordings rather than the SCO/Mackerras, though they too are fine, and it's somewhat surprising that he never recorded the complete set. Another surprise is to learn that he will be 90 next January!

[Dave2002]

Where next Auferstehen ?
Treat yourself to a copy of Horowitz/Guilini in No 23
Pure gold

Absolutely.

But try some of the others too - including the Brautigam.

I agree about including number 17 among the really good ones, though there are some which seem perhaps a bit weaker in the last bunch - maybe 26 and 19, and perhaps 18 which I can't quite remember right now.

[gurnemanz]

If I had to pick one it would probably be K491and probably with Arthur Rubinstein.

[Bryn]

Absolutely.

But try some of the others too - including the Brautigam.

I agree about including number 17 among the really good ones, though there are some which seem perhaps a bit weaker in the last bunch - maybe 26 and 19, and perhaps 18 which I can't quite remember right now.

The two 'Coronation' concertos (19 and 26) were the first I got to know, back in my teens. I find nothing particularly weak in them, especially not 26.

[LMcD]

If I had to pick one it would probably be K491and probably with Arthur Rubinstein.

If I had to pick one it would definitely be K491 (Perahia or Brendel). As I have mentioned elsewhere, we saw Andre Previn direct this at the RFH with his back to the bulk of the audience. I'm pleased to report that he not only played all the right notes but also kept them in the right order!

[Mario]

Where next Auferstehen ?
Treat yourself to a copy of Horowitz/Guilini in No 23
Pure gold

Good question Edgy!

The answer is I don’t really know.

However, I’m disappointed no-one has commented on the four copies I hold – can they really be that bad, I mean Schnabel & Barbirolli, Serkin & Toscanini, and Barenboim (great as he was before he became [like Schiff], oh, so self-important)? Funnily enough, the Han/Freeman I have, I like for its honesty, its unpretentiousness and a good example of a classical orchestra playing quite admirably drawing attention to the music, never to itself.

Mario

[Bryn]

Good question Edgy!

The answer is I don’t really know.

However, I’m disappointed no-one has commented on the four copies I hold – can they really be that bad, I mean Schnabel & Barbirolli, Serkin & Toscanini, and Barenboim (great as he was before he became [like Schiff], oh, so self-important)? Funnily enough, the Han/Freeman I have, I like for its honesty, its unpretentiousness and a good example of a classical orchestra playing quite admirably drawing attention to the music, never to itself.

Mario

I don't wish to derail this thread but the negative mention of Schiff came as a shock to me. Admittedly, I have only attended two of his concerts, the Brahms and Schumann ones with the OEA at the RFH last year, but was very taken, not only by his performances as both pianist and conductor but with his affability and enthusiasm as a raconteur when introducing the Brahms and describing the qualities of the c. 1867 Blüthner straight-strung instrument he was playing. Prior to that, I found his lecture series on the Beethoven sonatas both entertaining and informative, https://www.theguardian.com/music/cl...943867,00.html

I read, later last year, that he was due to record the Brahms concertos with the OAE towards the end of the year. Does anyone know what happened regarding that project? His much earlier survey on disc of the Mozart concertos with Sandor Vegh is also well worth hearing, if not my favourite. His collaboration with Barenboim and Solti in the Mozart multi-piano concertos is, for me, a real treat.

[Alison]

Have never thought of András Schiff as self important.

[Pulcinella]

IMO the most elegant and captivating pianist in this repertoire is currently Francesco Piemontesi who I've heard quite often. Maybe he's recorded Mozart 27.

I don't have any recordings but have enjoyed Maria Pires and Alfred Brendel from time to time

He has: just released (28 August 2020)

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8798313--mozart-piano-concertos-nos-19-27

Streaming it right now!

[LMcD]

Good question Edgy!

The answer is I don’t really know.

However, I’m disappointed no-one has commented on the four copies I hold – can they really be that bad, I mean Schnabel & Barbirolli, Serkin & Toscanini, and Barenboim (great as he was before he became [like Schiff], oh, so self-important)? Funnily enough, the Han/Freeman I have, I like for its honesty, its unpretentiousness and a good example of a classical orchestra playing quite admirably drawing attention to the music, never to itself.

Mario

Self-importance may sometime accompany artistic skill in some artistes - Barenboim possibly, but surely not Schiff? Fortunately, Mozart concertos don't (IMVHO) offer as much scope for grandstanding as more overtly 'showy' works from the 'Romantic' repertoire by Liszt, Rachmaninov and others.

[silvestrione]

I enjoyed those Barenboim/ECO discs when they came out, though he could underline things a bit too much, and a critic, I remember, talked about him flourishing the 'perfumed handkerchief' at times.

I much preferred early Brendel, those Turnabout LPs now on CD, and Backhaus in 27, with Bohm and the VPO. Nowadays I like someone who will add a little tasteful decoration here and there, as even Brendel started to do in his later recordings.