Being Beethoven, BBC Four TV

[Flay]

It's a fair cop.....

[BBMmk2]

Is this a a new series?

[LMcD]

Is this a a new series?

Yes (see #6)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Indubitably.

But 'ang on, ardcarp, you can't have it both ways! They talked over the music, music was faded in and out, and the pieces played were incomplete.

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?21932-Today-s-Sunday-Worship-oh-dear&p=799764#post799764

Gotcha!

In music documentaries, talking over the music isn't new, and it can be effective if does tastefully (though what that means in practice will never please everyone). Sometimes (not here) it's done so badly that neither the speaker nor the music can he heard adequately. But credit where it's due when they get it more or less right.

[Barbirollians]

Fürtwangler's encroaching deafness in 1954 seems to have been a disaster for him - I have read accounts that he went down with a cold and turned his face to the wall .

[Barbirollians]

Yes... The only one who added little but generalised subjective waffle was Ms Nwanoku (a BBC cultural favourite) - her superfluous contribution was somewhat cruelly exposed when Evelyn Glennie came on immediately after to give a gripping account of what it’s like to be a deaf musician...

I am not sure why Ms Nwanoku's ethnicity is relevant. She is an accomplished musician - member of the OAE for over 30 years founder of Chineke and professor of Historical Double Bass Studies at the Royal Academy of Music.

If you found her contribution disappointing fine but I find the suggestion that she was only on the programme due to her ethnicity offensive.

[Ein Heldenleben]

I am not sure why Ms Nwanoku's ethnicity is relevant. She is an accomplished musician - member of the OAE for over 30 years founder of Chineke and professor of Historical Double Bass Studies at the Royal Academy of Music.

If you found her contribution disappointing fine but I find the suggestion that she was only on the programme due to her ethnicity offensive.

I don't think Caliban was suggesting that for a second. The thing is certain specialist interviewees and presenters go through periods of popularity even ubiquity then , for some reason only known to the Gods of media , they go out of fashion. Evelyn Glennie is a good example - she used to be on all the time - now less so. It may that she wants to take her career in different directions - constant demands for tv and radio contributions can be very-time consuming .It would be accurate to say however that producers are under pressure to have a more diverse range of contributors in terms of gender, disablity ,and ethnicity. This can obviously be tricky in areas like science and engineering but it should be much less so in the creative arts.

[Nick Armstrong]

I am not sure why Ms Nwanoku's ethnicity is relevant..... I find the suggestion that she was only on the programme due to her ethnicity offensive.

Where on earth do you get that from?

[eighthobstruction]

I don't think Caliban was suggesting that for a second. The thing is certain specialist interviewees and presenters go through periods of popularity even ubiquity then , for some reason only known to the Gods of media , they go out of fashion. Evelyn Glennie is a good example - she used to be on all the time - now less so. It may that she wants to take her career in different directions - constant demands for tv and radio contributions can be very-time consuming .It would be accurate to say however that producers are under pressure to have a more diverse range of contributors in terms of gender, disablity ,and ethnicity. This can obviously be tricky in areas like science and engineering but it should be much less so in the creative arts.

....Absolutely

....I do believe we are are allowed to use the word 'cultural' in it's normal, and true meaning i.e culture

[LMcD]

Where on earth do you get that from?

May I timorously suggest that that's a very good question? I hope we don't have to bring in Slade Prison's redoubtable PO Barraclough (the much loved and much missed Brian Wilde) to keep the peace.

[Barbirollians]

Where on earth do you get that from?

Apologies - I read your reference to her being the BBC’s favourite on the basis of her cultural background. I am delighted that is not what you meant .

[Nick Armstrong]

Apologies - I read your reference to her being the BBC’s favourite on the basis of her cultural background. I am delighted that is not what you meant .

Favourite for cultural (specifically musical) programmes. I can’t read my post any other way, try as I might; but still, apology accepted

[Barbirollians]

Yes I understand what you meant now hence my apology but there is an unfortunate tendency elsewhere to suggest that BAME broadcasters are promoted due to their cultural background and that is what is favoured.

[Nick Armstrong]

I found the second programme considerably less compelling than the first....

[gradus]

Can't say I found it any less gripping, in some ways quite the contrary to someone like me who knows him only as a composer, especially concerning his reciprocated but ultimately thwarted relationship with the aristo lady whose name I now can't recall. I liked the musical excerpts too especially the final electrifying bars from the Missa Solemnis Gloria.