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  • Belgrove
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    • Nov 2010
    • 938

    With respect, I beg to differ...

    A game to play, perhaps, in these peculiar times.

    Some works have recordings that are regarded by the great and good as canonical, always appearing at or near the top of recommendation lists. One such is the Ansermet-Crespin recording of Ravel’s Scheherazade, whose vaunted virtues I’ve never been able to appreciate. Right from the start, the languorous oboe repels, sounding sour rather than alluring; but it is Crespin who sounds altogether too old, distant (and bored) to my ears.

    Are there revered recorded versions of works that you just don’t get on with? (No need to provide your favoured alternatives - that would surely lead to opprobrium being heaped upon your own exquisite taste!)
  • visualnickmos
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3610

    #2
    My contribution is Karajan's "Planets". (Berlin Phil. DG)

    Nothing essentially wrong with it, but to my ears, it just doesn't capture the piece, as other recordings do. I liken it to a portrait, that although well-executed, doesn't reveal the personality.

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    • Pulcinella
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      • Feb 2014
      • 10921

      #3
      I wonder if it will turn out that this thread will predominantly involve singers, as I suspect it is different attitudes (likes/dislikes/prejudices even) to voices that often colour opinion as far as our appreciation of different recordings is concerned.

      I take the point about the oboe in the Crespin/Ansermet Ravel (but remember: this was the OSR of its time, and sour woodwinds were par for the course), but Crespin's technique outweighs that, for me, anyway.

      My entry (and you may well then counter with: But what about her technique?) is the Schwarzkopf/Szell Strauss Four last songs (I'm not sure that I have heard her recording with Ackermann). Just not the sort of voice I want for these songs.

      PS: Hmmm; I might revise my musing above, as it is clear (and quite right) that some purely orchestral works will be featuring. Think twice before posting, Pulcie.
      Last edited by Pulcinella; 17-05-20, 10:39. Reason: PS added!

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        #4
        Karajan’s Alpine Symphony (DG)
        Harnoncourt’s Beethoven symphony cycle
        Solti’s Elgar 1
        Boult’s Gerontius

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        • richardfinegold
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          • Sep 2012
          • 7666

          #5
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          Karajan’s Alpine Symphony (DG)
          Harnoncourt’s Beethoven symphony cycle
          Solti’s Elgar 1
          Boult’s Gerontius
          Have you heard any other recordings of the Alpine Symphony?
          I think some of the examples provided in this thread are spot on. My intro was to Ravel’s Scherezade was Janet Baker. I have heard the Crespine praised to the skies and I think it’s included in one of the Decca big boxes and my sentiments are the same as the OP. Ditto for the Karajan Planets, in the same box, which I played recently and it made no impression on me, not the usual outcome when I listen to that piece.

          A common denominator here is that these were early stereo era recordings, before the catalog was loaded up with dozens of alternatives. Gramophone has a monthly feature where they compare a revered recording of something that is old in the tooth and compare it with newer alternatives, and it’s my favorite feature of the magazine.
          Last edited by richardfinegold; 17-05-20, 11:46.

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          • MrGongGong
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            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            #6
            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
            Have you heard any other recordings of the Alpine Symphony?
            I don't think there are any ?

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            • johnb
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              • Mar 2007
              • 2903

              #7
              The Harnoncourt/Leonhardt Bach Cantata recordings on Teldec.

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              • LMcD
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                • Sep 2017
                • 8458

                #8
                Britten's Serenade (the recording with Peter Pears).

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                • Nick Armstrong
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26533

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Belgrove View Post
                  Are there revered recorded versions of works that you just don’t get on with? (No need to provide your favoured alternatives - that would surely lead to opprobrium being heaped upon your own exquisite taste!)

                  The Kathleen Ferrier sections of the Walter Das Lied von der Erde recording.

                  Actually, anything by Kathleen Ferrier...



                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  I wonder if it will turn out that this thread will predominantly involve singers, as I suspect it is different attitudes (likes/dislikes/prejudices even) to voices that often colour opinion as far as our appreciation of different recordings is concerned.


                  I think you’re dead right, Pulcinella
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • ostuni
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 550

                    #10
                    Bruno Walter's Bruckner 9. Horrible acoustic with no space around the big chords, and flute 2 loses his/her place shortly before the end (and, when the textures are that thin, as they are there, you can’t ignore the mistake).

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                    • MrGongGong
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      Britten's Serenade (the recording with Peter Pears).

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                      • vinteuil
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12815

                        #12
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                        Bach played by Angela Hewitt

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                        • rauschwerk
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1481

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          Britten's Serenade (the recording with Peter Pears).
                          Which of the three? All of them?

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                          • MrGongGong
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            #14
                            I can't stand the famous recording of the Elgar cello concerto
                            I'm not 100% sure that it's the playing OR the whole narrative around it
                            and it's NOT that I hate her playing OR Elgars music (though he did set some terrible poetry at times ) but it just comes over as overblown and indulgent


                            (hides behind sofa)

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26533

                              #15
                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              .

                              Bach played by Angela Hewitt

                              .
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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