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  • MrGongGong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    Productivity

    Hummmm

    I'm not sure about this at all
    It would seem that "Music" = "Songs"

    and as for "productivity" ?


  • eighthobstruction
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 6449

    #2
    ....I remember from the BBC boards.....King Kennytone and Mr Impro....with their harsh views on 'Product'..... (and Tapas Bar for that matter...).....

    ED: enjoyed the Sunday afternoon ....Private Passions , and the Liam Byrne String Theories....stuff up your street on there....
    bong ching

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37851

      #3
      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
      Hummmm

      I'm not sure about this at all
      It would seem that "Music" = "Songs"

      and as for "productivity" ?


      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...king-from-home
      There's nothing per se wrong with productivity, if there's something you need to have in certain quantities in a hurry; and the more a person can produce within a given timespan - with or without the help of a device/machine/whatever - the greater the value that that something has, with multipliers applying the more persons can be added to the production process. Translasting that value into money terms then depends on how much the buyer pays. But under capitalism productivity takes place under conditions of inter-competing firms, which changes the nature and objective of the game entirely, since factors such as (a) working and living conditions, (b) the amount and quality of productivity the boss has allowed in terms of machinery invested in, compared with his/her competitors, and (c) the availablity of the cheapest possible labour as long as this doesn't negatively affect the buying power of some people elsewhere. Something always gets lost along the way, however, whether this be wastage (resources human and physical, unnecessariy multiplicity of decision-making hubs), environmental dispoliation consequent on bankrupt businesses closing or moving, and the chance of maintaining human/social solidarity when it comes down to all-against-all battling for scarcities. However, there is no intrinsic meaning of value in a world operating on the principle that the most basic needs for survival have to be paid for, because what I can afford advantages me more than the Big Issue seller, added to the further up the social tree I am the more that comes at his or her expense.

      This will continue as long as money exists amid unequal power. For value to have intrinsic meaning it has to be returned to a notion of value connected to the quality of input in its creation, as understood in the idea of Craft: the notion that the more completely the person is able to put her or himself into the act of creating, whether the end product be an artifact, provisional (such as pavement art or musical improvisation), or for practical use, the greater - because personal fulfilment in context enriches beyond its boundaries - its value in terms of self and community enrichment. Were this not the case a piece of music by La Monte Young would be of less value than a piece by Richard Barrett, because the Richard Barrett contains more notes over an equal amount of performance time - which would clearly be nonsense. () Unfortunately, things being as they are, ("Well, we are where we are, we can't pretend otherwise, whatever you would prefer to believe" ), informal production not connected to the market is treated as a drain on financial resources rather than contributing to them, and is thus financed by whatever leftovers there are from taxation, only if and when this is not too much of an imposition on "useful" industrial production or piling up money value in collaterals. And because of the short-term imperatives created by the "success" and "efficiencies" of cut-throat competition, this fact literally counts for more than the harm to society and the future by "allowing" for the existence of a human scrap heap, or underclass of unemployed required to cow-tow to the needs of a system that is unsustainable, now and for as long as it is allowed to continue.

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      • oddoneout
        Full Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 9306

        #4
        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
        Hummmm

        I'm not sure about this at all
        It would seem that "Music" = "Songs"

        and as for "productivity" ?


        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...king-from-home
        Alternatively concentrate on the matter in hand? Learning to work despite distractions and without props could be useful.

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        • Boilk
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 976

          #5
          The lockdown here and abroad will certainly result in major productivity for creative artists. How many composers would say they have too little time to compose because of the need to earn a living by teaching, conducting, [insert day job], etc? Paradoxically, lockdown is just the required ticket of non-interruption to afford the sustained concentration for the next big orchestral/electronic piece, next author's novel or painter's painting. I suspect a lot of big pieces of music and other art will come out of 2020 - something of a vintage year in many disciplines perhaps?

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 20575

            #6
            Originally posted by MrGongGong
            It would seem that "Music" = "Songs"



            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...king-from-home
            I would have hoped the Guardian would’ve known better.

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              #7
              Originally posted by Boilk View Post
              The lockdown here and abroad will certainly result in major productivity for creative artists. How many composers would say they have too little time to compose because of the need to earn a living by teaching, conducting, [insert day job], etc? Paradoxically, lockdown is just the required ticket of non-interruption to afford the sustained concentration for the next big orchestral/electronic piece, next author's novel or painter's painting. I suspect a lot of big pieces of music and other art will come out of 2020 - something of a vintage year in many disciplines perhaps?
              Indeed
              after all, with such and generous and swift contribution by the government coupled with the generous way in which the financial institutions are behaving towards the self-employed, we are in for a bumper year... i'm going to try and pay for my shopping with a bit of esoteric drone music this week......

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37851

                #8
                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                Indeed
                after all, with such and generous and swift contribution by the government coupled with the generous way in which the financial institutions are behaving towards the self-employed, we are in for a bumper year... i'm going to try and pay for my shopping with a bit of esoteric drone music this week......
                Yep - you've got it.

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                • eighthobstruction
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6449

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Boilk View Post
                  The lockdown here and abroad will certainly result in major productivity for creative artists. How many composers would say they have too little time to compose because of the need to earn a living by teaching, conducting, [insert day job], etc? Paradoxically, lockdown is just the required ticket of non-interruption to afford the sustained concentration for the next big orchestral/electronic piece, next author's novel or painter's painting. I suspect a lot of big pieces of music and other art will come out of 2020 - something of a vintage year in many disciplines perhaps?
                  ....very true

                  ....on the flip side I am wondering what music/art/digital media etc will come out of the next few years where it is likely the economy will be....well what?
                  Take the 70's 80's popular music scene and fashion scene that came out of Thatchers Britian [to be brief] and its many facetted breaking down of barriers, rascism etc....There will again be mass unemployment of youth perhaps....but with some digital resources in their bedrooms that can reach around the world....
                  bong ching

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