World or "ethnic" music

[Dave2002]

Does it mention that at least one Chinese emperor couldn't bear the noise they made?

His lawyers had to invent the so-called 'Squeak and Dizis' order.

(Coat already on, despite the heat...)

I mentioned on another thread recently that Hindemith was at least ambivalent about recorders. He must have been ambivalent, as he wrote a trio and perhaps a few other pieces for the instruments. Nevertheless he is reported to have said something like "What is worse than a recorder?" A: "Two recorders".

[MrGongGong]

There is a similar bamboo flute* in Japan which is thought to have come from China and became a musical instrument for popular rather than high culture. Traditionally, as far as I am aware, learning music was closer to oral culture than to literacy in that learning was by listening, copying, and memorising. Notations in traditional music, at least in Japan, is a modern concept that has been developed to meet the wider interest in the instrument.
* shinobue: the English wiki article does not tell you anything very interesting.
You could try this: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/篠笛

The whole "need" for notation in musics is a very interesting area of study IMV. Notation of compositions (as opposed to mnemonics to aid memory when taught) is largely a result of a separation of the acts of music-making (playing/singing) from music creation (composition/devising).

(The international Shakuhachi society summer school is on at the moment in Lisbon so I don't have access to my expert friend who's Phd thesis included things about this whole area )

[Dave2002]

There is a similar bamboo flute* in Japan which is thought to have come from China and became a musical instrument for popular rather than high culture. Traditionally, as far as I am aware, learning music was closer to oral culture than to literacy in that learning was by listening, copying, and memorising. Notations in traditional music, at least in Japan, is a modern concept that has been developed to meet the wider interest in the instrument.
* shinobue: the English wiki article does not tell you anything very interesting.
You could try this: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/篠笛

I think you have me completely stumped there!

This is slightly easier - https://www.mamalisa.com/blog/chines...thout-a-staff/
and the music transcribed into more conventional notation is in this page https://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=1206&c=11

The books I've mentioned previously about the dongxiao and dizi have even more elaborate notation for the particular instruments. As far as I can see, the basic notes are shown by numbers, and the Chinese representation borrows some features of western notation, such as markers for bars and double bars, and even time signatures and indications of tempo - metronomic. Phrasing and ornamentation may be even more heavily coded than using a conventional stave - though I think that's not for every piece. It would depend who the written form is intended for. If the tunes are written down to be used by "ordinary" people, then things would be kept simple, but for expert performers who may use advanced techniques on their instruments, the notation might (effectively) be much more complex.

[doversoul1]

The whole "need" for notation in musics is a very interesting area of study IMV. Notation of compositions (as opposed to mnemonics to aid memory when taught) is largely a result of a separation of the acts of music-making (playing/singing) from music creation (composition/devising).

(The international Shakuhachi society summer school is on at the moment in Lisbon so I don't have access to my expert friend who's Phd thesis included things about this whole area )

If you know anyone in the society, you will do them a great service by advising them to remove the two cartoon figures on their home page.

[MrGongGong]

If you know anyone in the society, you will do them a great service by advising them to remove the two cartoon figures on their home page.

Why ? ( a serious question)

Actually it's the European Shakuhachi Society that are in Lisbon at the moment
my mistake

http://shakuhachisociety.eu

[doversoul1]

Why ? ( a serious question)


http://shakuhachisociety.eu

The figures are as accurate as a Nagasaki prostitute in Madam Butterfly. Seriously, even if the instrument is seen as part of modern ‘musiking’, surely you need to have respect for the ‘real thing’ as well? How performers sit and how the traditional performers looked need to be shown correctly unless these matters are to be left out all together. The figures on the web page are completely devoid of dignity. Whoever drew the figures obviously didn’t bother to go to prime source.

[Bryn]

The figures are as accurate as a Nagasaki prostitute in Madam Butterfly. Seriously, even if the instrument is seen as part of modern ‘musiking’, surely you need to have respect for the ‘real thing’ as well? How performers sit and how the traditional performers looked need to be shown correctly unless these matters are to be left out all together. The figures on the web page are completely devoid of dignity. Whoever drew the figures obviously didn’t bother to go to prime source.

[doversoul1]

Thank you Bryn. Spot the difference: these komusos did not wear Knickerbockers.

[Serial_Apologist]

Thank you Bryn. Spot the difference: these komusos did not wear Knickerbockers.

[LeMartinPecheur]

[QUOTE=Bryn;748539] ]
Basket-cases?

[MrGongGong]

The figures are as accurate as a Nagasaki prostitute in Madam Butterfly. Seriously, even if the instrument is seen as part of modern ‘musiking’, surely you need to have respect for the ‘real thing’ as well? How performers sit and how the traditional performers looked need to be shown correctly unless these matters are to be left out all together. The figures on the web page are completely devoid of dignity. Whoever drew the figures obviously didn’t bother to go to prime source.

Thanks
I have no idea where they were sourced from etc
But do know several people with baskets to wear on the head

[doversoul1]

Thanks
I have no idea where they were sourced from etc
But do know several people with baskets to wear on the head

Ask them to sit and play the shakuhachi, then you can tell if they are real things