Radio 3 sheds fuddy-duddy image

[Edgy 2]

'KINELLE

(please delete if inappropriate,couldn't help myself sorry)

[jayne lee wilson]

Something of an overreaction here....?
Not much to object to in a piece of journalism, surely, reporting that R3 proposes to reach out more explicitly to the artistically and politically aware middle-aged?
Yes, the "extrovert" thing is a bit strange, but appealing to diverse sexuality, why not? You may say oh, it doesn't matter, and it shouldn't, but out-gay musicians seem as rare as out-gay male footballers....how might that look to some, d'you think?

I could very easily have been deflected from classical musical interests for that very reason when I was younger... there was terrible snobbishness and exclusivity (the main reason I never "studied music"), but luckily I loved the music (and crucially had access to it) too much to stop...you think I always feel at home here? No wonder I try too hard sometimes and incur displeasure...

"Passionate Minds".... it isn't a bad promotion label... not bad at all...especailly after the terrible newscasts going on all day today on TV.... lets get passionate in opposition!

Radio 3 is Dead. Long Live NEW Radio 3! My Radio 3, and yours, and yours, and....

Or to put it another way: as controller, say, what would your stated Radio 3 Philosophy be, now...?

[LezLee]

I don't understand the 'sexuality' thing and how it's relevant. How are all these things going to be measured? Are all people of the relevant age group going to be sent a questionnaire like a census form and asked if they listen to R3 and if not, why not?

'KINELLE indeed!

[Barbirollians]

The BBC seems to be plagued by 35-54 year olds who find over 65s a pain in the proverbial, and want to change the whole network to remove all the stuff that older listeners wish to listen to or watch. There’ll be plenty of time for that after we're all well gone!

Life mimicking art - this just the sort of bilge Siobhan from Perfect Curve would have come up with in W1A.

[teamsaint]

..........but out-gay musicians seem as rare as out-gay male footballers....how might that look to some, d'you think?

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It is very easy to find plentiful examples of out-gay musicians, including high profile one such as Nick Daniel, Yannick N-S .

[Richard Tarleton]

Could somebody please explain to me what 'KINELLE means? In a PM, if necessary.

[Sir Velo]

Could somebody please explain to me what 'KINELLE means? In a PM, if necessary.

Far Kinelle, I think...

[cloughie]

Something of an overreaction here....?
Not much to object to in a piece of journalism, surely, reporting that R3 proposes to reach out more explicitly to the artistically and politically aware middle-aged?
Yes, the "extrovert" thing is a bit strange, but appealing to diverse sexuality, why not? You may say oh, it doesn't matter, and it shouldn't, but out-gay musicians seem as rare as out-gay male footballers....how might that look to some, d'you think?

I could very easily have been deflected from classical musical interests for that very reason when I was younger... there was terrible snobbishness and exclusivity (the main reason I never "studied music"), but luckily I loved the music (and crucially had access to it) too much to stop...you think I always feel at home here? No wonder I try too hard sometimes and incur displeasure...

"Passionate Minds".... it isn't a bad promotion label... not bad at all...especailly after the terrible newscasts going on all day today on TV.... lets get passionate in opposition!

Radio 3 is Dead. Long Live NEW Radio 3! My Radio 3, and yours, and yours, and....

Or to put it another way: as controller, say, what would your stated Radio 3 Philosophy be, now...?

Not an overreaction Jayne, for many of us Radio 3 is DEAD, but maybe it is an inconvenience that some us older listeners are not!

[Richard Tarleton]

Thank you Sir V, much appreciated.

[Richard Tarleton]

Something of an overreaction here....?
Not much to object to in a piece of journalism, surely, reporting that R3 proposes to reach out more explicitly to the artistically and politically aware middle-aged?

Jayne, the journalism is fine (it's The Times), my concern is how they went about the focus group exercise, and the conclusions they drew from it. I really wonder if it was a focus group at all - it reads like something KD, SK and CB-H might have come up with over a skinny latte, and we know what they think of R3's current core audience. The whole point is - R3 should be looking at its whole audience, not actively ditching its existing one (the "gatekeepers") in favour of a hypothetical, yet-to-be-attracted one which may not even exist. When....the organisation I worked for....did such an exercise a few years ago, it came up with seven key demographics, worked out which it did and could appeal to, where and how, and thought hard about not alienating its existing ones.

Yes, the "extrovert" thing is a bit strange, but appealing to diverse sexuality, why not? You may say oh, it doesn't matter, and it shouldn't, but out-gay musicians seem as rare as out-gay male footballers....how might that look to some, d'you think?

If you're talking about performer role models here, Jayne, that's not really R3's job, is it? Are you thinking there should be more programming aimed at specific parts of (say) the LGBT spectrum?

"Passionate Minds".... it isn't a bad promotion label...

Sometimes it helps, in devising a slogan, to ask yourself how the opposite statement would sound. How about "Thoughtful introverts" as a promotion label? No, didn't think so. They're both ridiculous.

[gurnemanz]

Not an overreaction Jayne, for many of us Radio 3 is DEAD, but maybe it is an inconvenience that some us older listeners are not!

For this not dead listener "Radio 3 is DEAD" is the best overreaction I've heard today - since breakfast at least - certainly the best one which felt the need to ram home its message with capital letters. I assume it means: Radio 3 doesn't do everything in exactly the way I personally prefer. Having listened to R3 for over 50 years, I can state that this has always been the case. Lots to complain about but thank goodness still plenty to relish, eg lunchtime song recitals like today's upcoming.

[cloughie]

For this not dead listener "Radio 3 is DEAD" is the best overreaction I've heard today - since breakfast at least - certainly the best one which felt the need to ram home its message with capital letters. I assume it means: Radio 3 doesn't do everything in exactly the way I personally prefer. Having listened to R3 for over 50 years, I can state that this has always been the case. Lots to complain about but thank goodness still plenty to relish, eg lunchtime song recitals like today's upcoming.

If it’s worth reacting, it’s worth overreacting!: ...and I will add that as a listener to R3 for 60 or so years, that is the worst overall now than I can recall. It probably took its interminable tumble downhill about 10 years ago when it decided that in needed to compete with and replicate what CFM was delivering.

[DracoM]

Effectively what the 'report' etc seems to be saying is that one of the greatest corpuses of music / literature is not enough to justify a radio station's existence.

As with what is going on in Westminster, this is effectively a coup. But unlike Westminster, we do not know by whom.

I am angry and disempowered.

[richardfinegold]

I know that when I became passionate about music, I was attracted to the “higher culture “ aspect. The Classical Radio Stations didn’t strike me as elitist or snobbish, just more intelligent and thought provoking than standard pop culture fare.
Every time I see “the product “ being dumbed down in what always seems to be futile attempts to appeal to wider audiences it just seems to alienate core audiences and never achieve the stated aim of attracting new listeners, or at least in the quantity desired by the marketers.
I don’t understand the emphasis on sexuality. My friends and on line acquaintances that listen to Classical are disproportionately gay in number compared to the general population. One of the criticisms that my contemporaries lobbed at me when I became passionate about, and a bit of a proselytizer for, CM was that “only fags listen to that”. The number of openly gay performers is huge and who cares anyway?

[oddoneout]

Could somebody please explain to me what 'KINELLE means? In a PM, if necessary.

I eventually realised what this was but in the meantime came across
https://en-gb.facebook.com/kinelle.co.uk/ which has a photoshopped Trump where he looks almost normal...
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinelle to which the likes of Expedia reckon they can transport you cheaply for a holiday.