Schubert. 'Great' Symphony in C Major.

[Bryn]

I don't seem to recall the fillers - the Rosamunde music and the two overtures in the Italian style - being included in the compilations, am I right, Bryn? In which case the single discs are the only way to get them.

No time to check the details until at least next Tuesday. However, I know I have the Overtures as recorded by the Hanover Band, so I probably did buy those before the 12 (not 8, as I misremembered) disc set.

[vinteuil]

I don't seem to recall the fillers - the Rosamunde music and the two overtures in the Italian style - being included in the compilations, am I right, Bryn? In which case the single discs are the only way to get them.

... I think you're right : they're on the individual CDs of 3 & 5 and of 8 - they don't seem to have been transferred to the various box set incarnations :

http://thehanoverband.com/about/discography/#20

[ ... have just spent some £7 acquiring these two CDs, obviously... ]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007RIIUG4

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00000E09P

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[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I don't seem to recall the fillers - the Rosamunde music and the two overtures in the Italian style - being included in the compilations, am I right, Bryn? In which case the single discs are the only way to get them.

Not in the collection I have (The 40CD BRILLIANT box - which has many, many excellent performances, and cost me £12 ten years ago).

[MickyD]

... I think you're right : they're on the individual CDs of 3 & 5 and of 8 - they don't seem to have been transferred to the various box set incarnations :

http://thehanoverband.com/about/discography/#20

[ ... have just spent some £7 acquiring these two CDs, obviously... ]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007RIIUG4

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00000E09P

.

Good for you, Vints...a real bargain and well worth having those extra pieces.

[Keraulophone]

I'm not fussed about repeats in this, as long as I can listen to Beecham and his RPO, a recording which many people (the critic David Cairns for one) had hoped would surface one day. Character, phrasing, elan. (RFH, 14 Dec 1955).

sorry to veer OT

[Barbirollians]

I'm not fussed about repeats in this, as long as I can listen to Beecham and his RPO, a recording which many people (the critic David Cairns for one) had hoped would surface one day. Character, phrasing, elan. (RFH, 14 Dec 1955).

sorry to veer OT

Frankly I agree - Barbirolli,Boult and Furtwangler for me.

[Edgy 2]

I am fussed about the repeats.
There are times when I’d like this Symphony to go on forever.
I listened to Boult’s 1972 LPO recording earlier,might have to listen to it again

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I too am fussed about repeats. In most instances in sonata form movements, I’m relieved when they’re omitted. They’re a structural anomaly, harking back to short minuets, in which repeats made sense, rather than for padding out longer works. I too am fussed about repeats. In most instances in sonata form movements, I’m relieved when they’re omitted. They’re a structural anomaly, harking back to short minuets, in which repeats made sense, rather than for padding out longer works.

[cloughie]

Frankly I agree - Barbirolli,Boult and Furtwangler for me.

...and Krips - CAO or LSO, both excellent!

[Conchis]

Solti with the VPO will not be HIPP enough for some, bu the repeats are all present and correct and the recording quality is superb (as is the performance).

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think the Philharmonia, with Sir Charles Mackerras observes all the repeats.

It does - but this seems to have been something achieved by the editors more than by the performers, if this review has got its facts right:

http://www.classicalsource.com/db_control/db_cd_review.php?id=6189

I did however have a reservation concerning observation of repeats. Mackerras made the repeats in both outer movements but in the third movement he repeated only the brief first part of the scherzo first time round and the short first part of the trio. In the Philharmonia performance we hear every repeat that Schubert indicated. This means that the elegant design of the symphony is now properly represented. What I hear now satisfies my craving for classical form but it also throws up a conundrum because reviews on this site of the two concert performances suggest (I am sure totally accurately) that Mackerras was not so generous with repeats at the actual concerts.

Only the first of these performances (10 June 2006) is documented in the booklet. The performance on the 20th, as reviewed by Douglas Cooksey, mentions that microphones were also present on that occasion and that Mackerras also omitted the exposition repeat in the first movement. Colin Anderson, in reviewing the earlier performance, the one cited as being issued on this Signum release, went further and informed that neither of the outer movements had repeats observed and that Mackerras reprised only the first half of the scherzo but took them all in the trio.

If this Signum recording is of that live performance, where have those three additional repeats come from? The sceptical might suggest that they had been created by re-using existing material – this is not unknown in the recording world – but even that could not account for the appearance on the recording of Schubert's four first-time bars in the finale, which would not have been played at the concert unless the repeat was observed.

Was anybody here at either of those two performances?

[Pulcinella]

Mention of concert performances associated with Mackerras recordings is interesting: the Virgin release (OAE) says

A performance of this work took place on 10th October, 1987 in the Queen Elizabeth Hall, London, and was sponsored by Phoenix Securities Limited and the Arts Council of Great Britain.

[pastoralguy]

Mention of concert performances associated with Mackerras recordings is interesting: the Virgin release (OAE) says

A performance of this work took place on 10th October, 1987 in the Queen Elizabeth Hall, London, and was sponsored by Phoenix Securities Limited and the Arts Council of Great Britain.

I've just finished listening to that cd, Pulcinella. It's very good although I do agree with the Amazon reviewers who say it's a little lacking in forward momentum.

Now listening to Harnoncourt conduct the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.

[Pulcinella]

Mention of concert performances associated with Mackerras recordings is interesting: the Virgin release (OAE) says

A performance of this work took place on 10th October, 1987 in the Queen Elizabeth Hall, London, and was sponsored by Phoenix Securities Limited and the Arts Council of Great Britain.

Just to clarify: the Virgin release is not the concert performance. The recording details are simply Abbey Road Studios, London, October 1987.

[pastoralguy]

Just to clarify: the Virgin release is not the concert performance. The recording details are simply Abbey Road Studios, London, October 1987.

Absolutely! The howls of anguish from the string players would have drowned out the music. I sincerely doubt that Mackerras would have done ALL the repeats in the performance unless there was some form of taking rests amongst the string players.