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  • Dave2002
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    • Dec 2010
    • 18025

    Prices of musical instruments

    After fairly recently joining a small group of "recorder" players (except that one recorder is actually a cello ...), I've been looking into the costs of instruments. In the recorder world it is possible to get some very cheap plastic instruments, and some more expensive ones. Most of the cheapies are descants or treble recorders, though there are one or two fairly cheap tenor recorders. Also, "cheap" is perhaps relative. In the US it's possible to get a really cheap plastic descant for under $3 if you know where to look, though the instruments are very possibly really not very good. £20 in the UK will get a serviceable plastic model, while few plastic (ABS) models are over £50. Really cheap ones are under £2 - https://www.gear4music.com/Woodwind-...eaning-Rod/7NL
    For trebles the prices are higher, but again it's possible to get reasonable ones for no more than £50 - there may be some more expensive ones. Tenors and basess - a big jump in prices.

    The general wisdom seems to be that for recorders wooden ones are better, though I think there are some caveats there too. There are some cheap wooden soprano ones for about £20, and some which have some plastic parts as well as wood. It's possible to spend £100 or more on a wooden soprano model.

    As with the descants, prices for wooden trebles go up considerably, with the lowest priced new models probably being around £100 and then go on up.

    Basses and tenors are much higher priced. The cheapest basses are the ones with the kinked neck, while the bassoon like ones are expensive even in plastic.

    This has to be put into context with other instruments though. Electronic keyboards are pretty cheap, and really rather good - for the money. It's possible to get a perfectly useable keyboard for under £100, which is fine for learners - though not good for budding pianists. Not everyone wants to play a keyboard like a pianist, though - many younger people like experimenting with electronic sounds, which is possible with electronic keyboards, and also electronic guitars. A moderately decent portable electronic piano will cost over £1000 - probably more - and might have a piano like touch. A real piano will cost more, and of course takes up space in a house.

    Comparing bass recorders to provide a solid lower foundation to groups with cellos it seems that despite the high cost of a bass recorder - and you might need several (with several players, of course) to get anything like the depth of sonority - that a cheap cello for a beginner costs about £2000, whlle a good instrument is going upwards of £5000. Even the "IKEA" like Paetzold bass recorders - http://www.lazarsearlymusic.com/Paet..._recorders.htm - are actually cheaper than moderately good cellos.

    All of this makes one wonder how many young people can ever get started in playing music. Rich and enthusiastic parents might help, but many young people are not so fortunate. Schools (the state sort) in the UK very possibly don't have money to buy instruments, and in any case cuts in teaching mean that there might not be a music teacher to encourage performance.

    I started with the recorder many, many years ago, and then moved on to flute and piano. The flute came first, but then I needed an accompanist, so we had a piano, which I then struggled to learn. Recorders are a great start, but won't be seen as "cool" by many young people now. Finally, I was amazed to discover a Youtube video about a $70 Amazon flute - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMJ-CPbCw0

    I think there are similar ones for between £60-£100 in the UK. Amazingly, while the $70 flute is very probably not very good, the player who tries it manages to make it sound acceptable in Mozart's first flute concerto, and perhaps there is hope that some people will learn to play instruments, and then as (and if) they improve, gain access to better instruments later on. One can but hope!
    Last edited by Dave2002; 05-03-19, 11:59.
  • Braunschlag
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    • Jul 2017
    • 484

    #2
    A couple of years ago Frau Braunschlag was teaching a young starter on a clarinet from Lidl! It wasn’t half bad and seemed to be a decent instrument for around £70! It was probably a job lot put on display between the fish tanks and hedge trimmers.

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    • Dave2002
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      • Dec 2010
      • 18025

      #3
      Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
      A couple of years ago Frau Braunschlag was teaching a young starter on a clarinet from Lidl! It wasn’t half bad and seemed to be a decent instrument for around £70! It was probably a job lot put on display between the fish tanks and hedge trimmers.
      Interesting. I think they sometimes have guitars, ukeleles and bongo drums too!

      If you can't wait to get started on a ukelele this place has them for around £15 - https://www.normans.co.uk/category/ukuleles - I'm sure there are others. Why ukeleles seem to have become more popular these days I can't explain. What was wrong with banjos?

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      • vinteuil
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12846

        #4
        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        Interesting. I think they sometimes have guitars, ukeleles and bongo drums too!

        If you can't wait to get started on a ukelele this place has them for around £15 - https://www.normans.co.uk/category/ukuleles - I'm sure there are others. Why ukeleles seem to have become more popular these days I can't explain. What was wrong with banjos?
        ... how can you resist?

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        The Ukes perform their own version of David Bowie's 'Life on Mars', incorporating My Way, For Once in My Life, Born Free, and more. Taken from the DVD 'Anarc...

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          We unbox the 70$ EASTAR EFL-1 from Amazon and try it against my very own $10,000 FLUTE! Would I buy this cheap flute? How does it sound against a professiona...
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          • Richard Barrett
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            • Jan 2016
            • 6259

            #6
            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
            What was wrong with banjos?
            I don't believe you can buy a banjo for 15 quid.

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18025

              #7
              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
              I don't believe you can buy a banjo for 15 quid.
              I think you're right.

              Even a used one can cost £50 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Banjos/10177/bn_2314186

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              • oddoneout
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                • Nov 2015
                • 9218

                #8
                Acquiring an oboe for my daughter 25 years ago was an eyeopener. She'd decided she wanted to learn that rather than the clarinet which she could have borrowed from school. Not only were there very few to choose from, the prices resulted in some serious 'are you really sure you will practice and carry on playing' discussions. We managed to find a secondhand one at a not too horrendous price because it needed some minor work which we could get done at mate's rates. Even so the final bill was around £400 - would have been much more except that it wasn't conservatoire fingering.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20570

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                  It's possible to get a perfectly useable keyboard for under £100, which is fine for learners - though not good for budding pianists.
                  Not really. Keyboards using springs are worse than useless for beginners.
                  Beginners need decent instruments. More advanced players can compensate for deficiencies. The slogan "suitable for a beginner" should be banned under Geneva Convention. Invariably it means "quite unsuitable for a beginner". A weighted keyboard can be obtained for under £500 - quite a different matter, and worth the extra.

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                  • Once Was 4
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                    • Jul 2011
                    • 312

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Not really. Keyboards using springs are worse than useless for beginners.
                    Beginners need decent instruments. More advanced players can compensate for deficiencies. The slogan "suitable for a beginner" should be banned under Geneva Convention. Invariably it means "quite unsuitable for a beginner". A weighted keyboard can be obtained for under £500 - quite a different matter, and worth the extra.
                    I remember about 20+ years ago there were horns being imported from China and retailing at less than £50. One snag, they were totally unplayable. We once harrangued the assistant in a music shop in Norwich about this and asked him if he could sleep at night; imagine the loving parent with a limited income investing some of it in an instrument for their offspring to get started on - the distress that it would cause. He just shrugged and walked away.

                    Things have improved and a famous national music retailer is selling instruments from China; still dirt cheap but good enough to get a youngster started as long as they do not think that they can go on to play it in the LSO.

                    This caused some ripples in the business; the sales manager of another national firm said to me angrily "how can we compete when they are giving the stuff away!"

                    The important thing is the quality of the teacher and the parent's willingness to take that teacher's advice. A battered old, but good quality, brass instrument will often suit a child much better than something shiny and new.

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                    • Padraig
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                      • Feb 2013
                      • 4239

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      With difficulty, v. I enjoyed that.

                      I bought a B&H Trombone for 40 odd quid when a student. We had a jazz band. The band members are mostly (possibly all) deceased but the trombone and I survive.

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                      • Dave2002
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 18025

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        Not really. Keyboards using springs are worse than useless for beginners.
                        Beginners need decent instruments. More advanced players can compensate for deficiencies. The slogan "suitable for a beginner" should be banned under Geneva Convention. Invariably it means "quite unsuitable for a beginner". A weighted keyboard can be obtained for under £500 - quite a different matter, and worth the extra.
                        I think it depends on whether the intended performer really wants to "play" a keyboard (or a piano), or alternatively explore electronic music and computing. A pianist I know who still performs publicly from time to time has a Roland keyboard - I think no longer available - but the prices of those were around £1500. It has weighted keys and is touch sensitive. It is portable, but perhaps only just - it is quite heavy. I'm not sure if there is anything similar or equivalent available now. I think many pianists who play in small ensembles have such an instrument, particularly if they perform in jazz groups, or for private events such as garden parties, weddings etc.

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          #13
                          a Roland keyboard - I think no longer available
                          Personally, I detest electronic pianos. However I think Roland are still around...and I understand are considered 'the best' if you've got to have one.

                          Pianos: State-of-the-art digital pianos available in grand, upright, stage, and specialty models.

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