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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20576

    #31
    A recorder’s effective dynamic range is not much greater than that of a harpsichord,

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #32
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      A recorder’s effective dynamic range is not much greater than that of a harpsichord,
      Ooooooohhh! Anyone who's gone past a room with a beginner practising might disagree with you there, Alpie!
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        #33
        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

        Incidentally, why are some recorders specified for A=442 which is hardly significantly different from A=440? Is it to allow for the adjustments by slight lengthening mentioned earlier, or for some other reason?
        .
        Despite what some people insist A=442 is more widely used by instrument manufacturers than A=440
        (though to be in tune with the celestial harmonies of the universe A=432 is preferred )

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        • Dave2002
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 18056

          #34
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          Despite what some people insist A=442 is more widely used by instrument manufacturers than A=440
          (though to be in tune with the celestial harmonies of the universe A=432 is preferred )
          It appears that some early recorders from the Renaissance were pitched about A=460 - see https://www.moeck.com/en/recorders/r...essionals.html

          This isn't quite a semitone sharper than standard pitch. That would be at A=466 approx.

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          • MrGongGong
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            #35
            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
            It appears that some early recorders from the Renaissance were pitched about A=460 - see https://www.moeck.com/en/recorders/r...essionals.html

            This isn't quite a semitone sharper than standard pitch. That would be at A=466 approx.
            Indeed
            There are many misconceptions about so-called "standard" pitch

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            • Richard Barrett
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              • Jan 2016
              • 6259

              #36
              Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
              It appears that some early recorders from the Renaissance were pitched about A=460
              For most of history there was no standardisation of pitch. During Bach's time, two different levels (Chor-Ton and Cammer-Ton) were in use in north Germany, usually a whole tone apart but sometimes a minor third, neither being standardised across the whole region (this is known from study of surviving instruments), and the situation across Europe was no different. This of course makes a bit of a nonsense of "Baroque pitch" being standardised now at 415, but people obviously aren't going to have instruments in all possible pitches even in cases where the original pitch of the music being played is known with certainty, so it's a 20th/21st century compromise.

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              • Dave2002
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                • Dec 2010
                • 18056

                #37
                I found out about ABS - https://www.creativemechanisms.com/b...ut-abs-plastic Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene (ABS) used for most plastic recorders these days.

                There do seem to be some advantages in plastic instruments on occasions. Wooden ones may take time to dry out if over played. Perhaps depends on the model, and how new they are.

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                • Constantbee
                  Full Member
                  • Jul 2017
                  • 504

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                  bakelite ...
                  ... which of course is now highly collectable My first ever Prom Concerts were listened to on a (now vintage) bakelite Bush Valve radio in the kitchen, now changing hands for about fifty quid. Not a bad sound at all as I recall.
                  And the tune ends too soon for us all

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #39
                    There was an enjoyable bit of recorder playing on Saturday's Record Review:

                    Listen without limits, with BBC Sounds. Catch the latest music tracks, discover binge-worthy podcasts, or listen to radio shows – all whenever you want


                    ...about 11 mins from start. A Dutch teenager Lucy [someone] playing, with lute, an arrangement of a Marin Marais viola da gamba sonata.

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                    • Dave2002
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18056

                      #40
                      Telemann Canonic sonatas

                      This is also quite fun - a bit tricky I think. I think the video may be done by one player double tracking - it's not clear.

                      Georg Philipp Telemann: canonic sonata 1, TWV 40:118 (1738).I play all this first sonata not too fast, to allow you to follow the imitation and because .... ...


                      Sarah Jeffery also has a youtube about the Canonic sonatas.

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                      • greenilex
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1626

                        #41
                        Lovely canons. Thanks.

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                        • oddoneout
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                          • Nov 2015
                          • 9360

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                          There was an enjoyable bit of recorder playing on Saturday's Record Review:

                          Listen without limits, with BBC Sounds. Catch the latest music tracks, discover binge-worthy podcasts, or listen to radio shows – all whenever you want


                          ...about 11 mins from start. A Dutch teenager Lucy [someone] playing, with lute, an arrangement of a Marin Marais viola da gamba sonata.
                          Lucie Horsch?http://www.luciehorsch.nl/biografie.php Playing tomorrow in Cambridge, AAM and Richard Egarr, according to the site.

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18056

                            #43
                            Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                            Lovely canons. Thanks.
                            The Fantasias are nice too - see http://www.pjb.com.au/mus/arr/a4/fantasias_Crec.pdf for the music - some pieces not in the original keys.

                            Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIhEJuCPzZ8 for SJ's take on these. There are links to some of the music under the video on that page.

                            Here is an interesting article about these pieces - http://www.rachelbrownflute.com/asse...----music3.pdf

                            A couple of performances - though on flutes - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Telemann+f...ai=vcYQXQwS9sQ

                            G. Ph. Telemann: 12 fantasias ("fantaisies") for transverse flute without bass, TWV 40:2-13. Barthold Kuijken - baroque flute.1. Fantasia in A major (Vivace—...


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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9360

                              #44
                              The Lucie Horsch concert is being broadcast tonight.

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                              • Dave2002
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18056

                                #45
                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                The Lucie Horsch concert is being broadcast tonight.
                                https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002s3z

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