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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30283
    #31
    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
    Yes, history IS interesting
    but music isn't "essentially" that
    He did say he wasn't very musical, so perhaps it is that aspect which interests him most?

    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
    Bet he hasn't read Dahlhaus
    Who has?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • MrGongGong
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 18357
      #32
      Originally posted by french frank View Post

      Who has?
      I thought everyone has?

      Particularly this bit

      Foundations of Music History
      https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-6dsSqqISJUC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=what+is+a+fact+of+music+history&source=bl&ots=W2EspPs_a0&sig=ihbHzXXSdPGlTNccLdRSpTK4ZoM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA0Z-n-8LdAhXIJcAKHe_eCwAQ6AEwDHoECC8QAQ#v=onepage&q=what%20is%20a%20fact%20of%20music%20history&f=false
      This book is the first thoroughgoing study in any language of the philosophy of music history. Drawing on competing philosophies of history throughout the ages, from the Enlightenment to the French structuralists, from the German idealist tradition to Russian formalism, the late Carl Dahlhaus applies the thoughts of these various schools to the specialist requirements of music history and assesses their advantages and shortcomings. Special attention is given to an appraisal of whether Marxist critiques are still viable and where they stand in need of rethinking. For this English edition, the author provided an extensive annotated bibliography.

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357
        #33
        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
        The leader of "the other lot", whatever his musical preferences, has said he would give all children the opportunity to learn a musical instrument.
        I think that translates into 20 minutes of Ukelele in a group of 30 children
        (I really hope i'm wrong)

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37678
          #34
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          I thought everyone has?

          Particularly this bit

          https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...istory&f=false
          What he seems to be saying in the end is that the assumptions underlying any interpretation of past events, whether they be musical; or not, are always suspect. Personally I would be quite happy to go along with french frank's thought that Corbyn might be more interested in the history of music, however circumspectly regarding circumstances surrounding it his interest might be to others, than in the actual music itself, because that would accord with french frank's motivation for maintaining the standards once upheld by Radio 3, as recognised by a sizeable consensus of opinions expressed on this forum.

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          • Richard Barrett
            Guest
            • Jan 2016
            • 6259
            #35
            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
            I think that translates into 20 minutes of Ukelele in a group of 30 children
            (I really hope i'm wrong)
            I don't think you have any grounds whatever for jumping to that conclusion, but I guess this isn't the place to continue such a discussion; I tend to make my own views quite clear elsewhere!

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