Brahms Piano Quartet in G minor, Op.25

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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    Brahms Piano Quartet in G minor, Op.25

    I do very much like this particular work. I have a couple or so recordings of it. Laredo, Serkin, Ma, fourth one escapes my mind, Takacs with Hamlin. I do also have a penchant for the Schoenberg transcription he made for orchestra. What a master of that he was. I have Dohnanyi’s with the Cleveland, and Rattles with the CBSO and Berliners.
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750
  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #2
    Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
    I do very much like this particular work. I have a couple or so recordings of it. Laredo, Serkin, Ma, fourth one escapes my mind, Takacs with Hamlin. I do also have a penchant for the Schoenberg transcription he made for orchestra. What a master of that he was. I have Dohnanyi’s with the Cleveland, and Rattles with the CBSO and Berliners.
    I have the Rattle in the latter. It's a work that I've gone off a bit - it doesn't quite do what it used to do for me. I think I'll give it a whirl this week.

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    • BBMmk2
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      • Nov 2010
      • 20908

      #3
      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
      I have the Rattle in the latter. It's a work that I've gone off a bit - it doesn't quite do what it used to do for me. I think I'll give it a whirl this week.
      Do so. I’m thinking of writing a transcription on the last movement, the Rondo à la Zingaresa. I don’t think it will work so well for brass band.
      Don’t cry for me
      I go where music was born

      J S Bach 1685-1750

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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #4
        Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
        Do so. I’m thinking of writing a transcription on the last movement, the Rondo à la Zingaresa. I don’t think it will work so well for brass band.
        Not everything lends itself to a brass transcription

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        • BBMmk2
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #5
          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Not everything lends itself to a brass transcription
          Indeed not. I’ll see what my various contacts I have now would think as well.
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • richardfinegold
            Full Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 7667

            #6
            There was a Budapest Qt recording that introduced me to this piece, another performance that I haven’t heard since my stomach was flat and my hairline hadn’t receded. Who was the Pianist? I think it was also Rudolph Serkin. I believe the The Budapest Qt made a mono recording with Szell, or was that the Mozart Piano Quartets? At any rate, re the Brahms Op.25, the Beaux Arts Trio with Trampler is what I spin.
            I heard MTT conduct the Schoenberg expansion here a few years ago. It was a hoot

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            • LMcD
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              • Sep 2017
              • 8475

              #7
              I first encountered this work when part of the final movement was featured in a rather depressing film called 'Monsieur Hire'. I have a double CD of the three piano quartets played by Yo Yo Ma, Emanuel Ax, Isaac Stern and Jaime Laredo.

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              • jayne lee wilson
                Banned
                • Jul 2011
                • 10711

                #8
                Orchestral that often gets overlooked - VPO/Dohnanyi (glad to see you have it, BBm), c/w Beethoven arr. Mahler Op.95. Classic Decca Disc, I favour it over CBSO/Rattle. (I bought the Berlin one too... well, suffice to say I don't play it much now....)

                Yes, an ​absolutely iconic work for me, always ​somewhere in the back of my mind..... what is it about this remarkable work? The sheer intensity and continuity of its inspirations, something like that? You sometimes wonder how a mere human animal could have written such a thing...
                My latest chamber-original acquisition was the astounding Ironwood on the Australian ABC label, c/w Op.34. Period instruments ( rare in this rep., very rubato/portamento), utterly unique, unmissable if you adore it, on Qobuz to listen to....

                (Anyway it's only Reds v Hammers halftime! Need some more coffee and cognac....)

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                • Beef Oven!
                  Ex-member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  Orchestral that often gets overlooked - VPO/Dohnanyi (glad to see you have it, BBm), c/w Beethoven arr. Mahler Op.95. Classic Decca Disc, I favour it over CBSO/Rattle. (I bought the Berlin one too... well, suffice to say I don't play it much now....)

                  Yes, an ​absolutely iconic work for me, always ​somewhere in the back of my mind..... what is it about this remarkable work? The sheer intensity and continuity of its inspirations, something like that? You sometimes wonder how a mere human animal could have written such a thing...
                  My latest chamber-original acquisition was the astounding Ironwood on the Australian ABC label, c/w Op.34. Period instruments ( rare in this rep., very rubato/portamento), utterly unique, unmissable if you adore it, on Qobuz to listen to....

                  (Anyway it's only Reds v Hammers halftime! Need some more coffee and cognac....)
                  The Irons players need the coffee and their supporters the cognac!

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    Orchestral that often gets overlooked - VPO/Dohnanyi (glad to see you have it, BBm), c/w Beethoven arr. Mahler Op.95. Classic Decca Disc, I favour it over CBSO/Rattle. (I bought the Berlin one too... well, suffice to say I don't play it much now....)

                    Yes, an ​absolutely iconic work for me, always ​somewhere in the back of my mind..... what is it about this remarkable work? The sheer intensity and continuity of its inspirations, something like that? You sometimes wonder how a mere human animal could have written such a thing...
                    My latest chamber-original acquisition was the astounding Ironwood on the Australian ABC label, c/w Op.34. Period instruments ( rare in this rep., very rubato/portamento), utterly unique, unmissable if you adore it, on Qobuz to listen to....

                    (Anyway it's only Reds v Hammers halftime! Need some more coffee and cognac....)
                    I haven't played that version for ages, JLW.


                    LMcD, thank you for heading up that recording of the PQ, with Isaac Stern, Jamie Laredo, Yoyo Ma and Emanuel Ax, was the pianist I couldn't remember.
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • Beef Oven!
                      Ex-member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      #11
                      Reflecting on my current ambivalence to the AS orchestral version, I wonder if a different percormance from the Rattle might help. Do forumites have a tip-top recommendation that might liberate me?

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        Reflecting on my current ambivalence to the AS orchestral version, I wonder if a different percormance from the Rattle might help. Do forumites have a tip-top recommendation that might liberate me?
                        Try Robert Craft on NAXOS - less "earnest" than Rattle, he gets more of a sense of fun. (I'd never really thought much of Arnie's orchestrations of Brahms - or Handel, Bach, or Monn for that matter - until I got the Craft CD, which has a pretty damn fine recording of the Five Orchestral pieces there, as well.)
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Beef Oven!
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                          • Sep 2013
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          Try Robert Craft on NAXOS - less "earnest" than Rattle, he gets more of a sense of fun. (I'd never really thought much of Arnie's orchestrations of Brahms - or Handel, Bach, or Monn for that matter - until I got the Craft CD, which has a pretty damn fine recording of the Five Orchestral pieces there, as well.)
                          Thanks ferney. I keep meaning to buy that Craft Naxos CD but keep telling myself I’ve already got it! I need to check properly!

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                          • jayne lee wilson
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 10711

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                            Thanks ferney. I keep meaning to buy that Craft Naxos CD but keep telling myself I’ve already got it! I need to check properly!
                            Recent hi-res choices here with surprising couplings...The Adventurous Choice!
                            Never heard these yet, but the HM & Pentatone reviewed very well...
                            https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search_v....25&i=boutique

                            Of Rattle's two I prefer the CBSO (originally c/w the BSO Mahler 10, quite an album!) by a wide margin, but first off the shelf is always Dohnanyi. (DO avoid Craft's earlier Chicago one...rowdy & scrappy, the worst I ever heard, regretted buying it...)

                            Historical legendary: Hollywood Quartet with Victor Aller..."unsurpassable" in its way, you could almost live with this one on its own...!

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                              Recent hi-res choices here with surprising couplings...The Adventurous Choice!
                              Never heard these yet, but the HM & Pentatone reviewed very well...
                              https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search_v....25&i=boutique

                              Of Rattle's two I prefer the CBSO (originally c/w the BSO Mahler 10, quite an album!) by a wide margin, but first off the shelf is always Dohnanyi. (DO avoid Craft's earlier Chicago one...rowdy & scrappy, the worst I ever heard, regretted buying it...)

                              Historical legendary: Hollywood Quartet with Victor Aller..."unsurpassable" in its way, you could almost live with this one on its own...!
                              Sooo tantalising!

                              Fascinating C/Ws!

                              This is gonna cost me

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