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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    #16
    Brian Eno quotes Paragraph 7 of Cardew's The Great Learning in the closing pages of his score for Derek Jarman's Jubilee, IIRC. I'll check to make sure. I think it's the Jubilee score he uses a clip of a recording of the former in. Possobly a touch of unacknowledges tribute. He dies tenbd to often cite his membership of the Scratch Orchestra, though I do not recall any instance of his participation. He was, though, an erstwhile friend of at least one very active member.

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      #17
      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
      Really? Like AS I've not been convinced of this.

      Bax quotes Sibelius - in particular Tapiola.
      Wow, look, I made an error! I used the wrong 'fare'!

      Brilliant Dave, absolutely brilliant of you to spot it and point it out

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      • Stanfordian
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        • Dec 2010
        • 9311

        #18
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        Vaughan Williams quotes from Elgar's The Dream of Gerontius in the finale of his Sea Symphpny.
        Bruckner Symphony No. 3 in the original 1873 score is elaborated with quotations which echo motifs from Wagner’s Die Walküre; Tristan und Isolde; Die Meistersinger and Tannhäuser.

        Also springing to mind is the Stanford chamber music I have heard (as not all the string quartets are available) contain several quotations from famous works. Perhaps in homage to great composers / maybe private jokes; who knows. They include:
        String Quartet No. 1, Op. 44 uses the main theme from Schubert's String Quintet in C major.
        Piano Quintet, Op. 25 uses a brief quotation from the Wedding March from Mendelssohn’s incidental music to Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night’s Dream.

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        • gradus
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          • Nov 2010
          • 5608

          #19
          Ein Heldenleben - Eroica

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #20
            If you listen very carefully, you'll hear some Mahler and Ravel in Berio's Sinfonia.

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            • Stanfordian
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              • Dec 2010
              • 9311

              #21
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              "​Das bemerkt ja schon jeder Esel"
              Hee-haw!

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                #22
                Originally posted by gradus View Post
                Ein Heldenleben - Eroica
                And Metamorphosen ditto of course.
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • Pabmusic
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                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  Vaughan Williams quotes from Elgar's The Dream of Gerontius in the finale of his Sea Symphpny.
                  Actully, RVW uses the same "and thou art calling me" phrase in the Sea and London symphonies, and in the 5 Mystical Songs.

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                  • Pabmusic
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                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    #24
                    RVW originally quoted quite clearly from the finale of Bax's 3rd in his own piano concerto. He then revised most of it out, but you can still hear echoes (final section of the concerto).

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                    • Pabmusic
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                      • May 2011
                      • 5537

                      #25
                      Finzi quotes Butterworth (Shropshire Lad Rhapsody) in his Severn Rhapsody.

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                      • Pabmusic
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                        • May 2011
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                        #26
                        Suk quotes from Dvorak's Requiem in most movements of Asrael.

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                        • Pabmusic
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                          • May 2011
                          • 5537

                          #27
                          Grainger quotes a phrase from Country Gardens in Shepherd's Hey, and acknowledges Cecil Sharp in a footnote.

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                          • Pabmusic
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                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            #28
                            Martinu uses the Beethoven 5/BBC wartime motif in the Memorial to Lidice - very prominently too.

                            And a glance through the thread failed to spot Bartok's quote from DSCH Leningrad, which is used rudely in the Concerto for Orchestra.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              Martinu uses the Beethoven 5/BBC wartime motif in the Memorial to Lidice - very prominently too.

                              And a glance through the thread failed to spot Bartok's quote from DSCH Leningrad, which is used rudely in the Concerto for Orchestra.
                              Ahem. Don't you mean Lehar, re. the Bartok?

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                              • Nick Armstrong
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26536

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                                Actully, RVW uses the same "and thou art calling me" phrase in the Sea and London symphonies, and in the 5 Mystical Songs.
                                Some great contributions to this thread.... but this one is especially interesting to me, knowing all the pieces but never having spotted any of the quotations!!
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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