School Music - Fighting the cuts

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  • subcontrabass
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 2780

    School Music - Fighting the cuts

  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30301

    #2
    Originally posted by subcontrabass View Post
    Even more depressing to think where they'd be without a head teacher like her.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Even more depressing to think where they'd be without a head teacher like her.
      ... or without teachers like Garry Walls.

      I don't think I can comment further without using language that would require me to Mod myself. I'll just confine myself to commenting that there are people like Mr Walls (will he get mentioned in any Honours Lists?) giving their services in schools throughout the country in all sorts of Creative subject areas; and some without the sort of support Mrs Hey is doing her best to supply.

      MrGG had it right a few days ago.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30301

        #4
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        ... or without teachers like Garry Walls.
        Yes, I should have said that
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • DracoM
          Host
          • Mar 2007
          • 12972

          #5
          The Town Band in my town is performing EXACTLY the same function as in Queensbury.

          Music in local schools - a pretty remote rural area - is at a desperately impoverished level, but the Town Band's excellent mentors have brought on young players, there is a youth band who get to play separate slots in their concerts as well as integrating with the 'adults' for the main material. It is a lifeline and parents here do not realise [yet] how damned lucky they are - perish the day when they do have to!

          Like other posters upthread, I dare not say here just how strongly and angry I feel over all this.

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          • Mal
            Full Member
            • Dec 2016
            • 892

            #6
            We need a proper El Sistema in the UK. "In Harmony" hasn't made much of an impression, in fact I only learned of it by reading this article:

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            • jean
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              #7
              We know all about it here!

              But anything that doesn’t happen in London doesn’t get reported.

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 12972

                #8
                If it hasn't happened in London, it doesn't exist.
                Apparently.

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  We need a proper El Sistema in the UK. "In Harmony" hasn't made much of an impression, in fact I only learned of it by reading this article:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Sistema
                  Hummm not so sure about that


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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30301

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    Or rather than picking your way through 100+ blogs, here's the man himself putting his case in a nutshell. Interesting comments below the article.

                    Far from the shining example of how classical music can change vulnerable young lives many claim it to be, Venezuala’s El Sistema fails the country’s most deprived children, says Geoff Baker
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      #11
                      Expressions such as 'drills and skills', 'teacher-centred', 'hierarchical' and 'repetitive learning' are there in the article about El Sistema. Regrettably, it is not possible to become a first-rate performing musician without some of those things. Even the Suzuki method (often seen as a bit airy-fairy) incorporates most of them...though possibly not 'hierarchical'. Maybe we need to separate the teaching of music as an enjoyable and participatory classroom activity from nurturing brilliant players, both of which are needed in my opinion...one often leading to the other.

                      Can anyone remember the northern Comp (maybe there's more than one) where every pupil plays a brass instrument, and each Year of the school has its own brass band?

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                      • greenilex
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1626

                        #12
                        Seems to me that the System has much in common with Cuban success in the fields of medical and dance education, and even (dare I mention?) the former Eastern European trade schools: for the many, not the few.

                        Political enemies will be outraged.

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #13
                          Regardless (for the moment) of the benefits/disadvantages of any "System" of Music Education, in this particular instance - and I would not be surprised to discover that this is true in many many other cases across the country - it isn't a "System" that's needed: it's FUNDING.
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16122

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            Regardless (for the moment) of the benefits/disadvantages of any "System" of Music Education, in this particular instance - and I would not be surprised to discover that this is true in many many other cases across the country - it isn't a "System" that's needed: it's FUNDING.
                            Too right it is!

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                            • MrGongGong
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              #15
                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Or rather than picking your way through 100+ blogs, here's the man himself putting his case in a nutshell. Interesting comments below the article.

                              https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...del-of-tyranny
                              Indeed
                              There are powerful forces at work
                              it seems to me that for some this (and there is good work that takes place) approach is supposedly beypnd any critical appraisal.
                              To ask ANY question about it will bring down the wrath of the faithful.

                              BUT we have been here before and it's not worth going through it all again
                              and anyway
                              wasn't Sir Simon supposed to have saved us all by now ?

                              Where is he?
                              Hiding away in case his vantity hall gets mothballed ?

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