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  • Simon B
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    • Dec 2010
    • 779

    Ambidextrous Conductors...

    There have previously been threads here concerning left handed conductors (Donald Runnicles being a prominent current example) and pondering how it is to be on the receiving end of such carving...

    How about an ambidextrous conductor though? I was unaware such mythic beasts existed until this weekend. I had a good view into the pit at WNO's really rather good Forza del Destino on Saturday and my attention was drawn to Carlo Rizzi conducting with baton in left hand. I could have sworn he had been right handed for the previous 20 years!

    For the rest of the evening he switched, sometimes in a fraction of a second, back and forth, seemingly at random. The gestures looked pretty well indistinguishable from a distance.

    (As an aside my understanding is that he was a bit of a tyrant back in the day but has mellowed a little. I certainly appreciated it when he got fed up and briefly stopped everything to glare furiously at the perpetrator of one of the preposterously frequent barrages of coughing from some of the audience in an otherwise surprisingly gripping Tosca on Friday. I was hoping for more of a baton smashing and volley of furious Italian abuse incident. It would have been richly deserved).

    Have there been any other conductors of note in the habit of demonstrating this unusual but not obviously useful skill? It must be a bit disconcerting to follow at first. Maybe that's the idea? Something seemed to work - the WNO orchestra outshone even the pretty excellent singing from the principals in the Verdi. Pity the libretto is rather a shambles, but it didn't matter all that much.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    #2
    Most amateur conductors are ambidextrous in that their two arm mirror one another.

    Re LH conductors, there's no problem just as long as they don't reverse their beat, keeping it as D-R-U, D-L-R-U, etc. It's only a matter of habit.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      Most amateur conductors are ambidextrous in that their two arm mirror one another.
      - and not a few professional ones, too.

      Boulez famously could (and did) use both arms to beat different time signatures in different Tempi.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Hornspieler
        Late Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 1847

        #4
        Paavo Berglund

        Not only did he conduct left_handed, he could also play the violin left handed - whichever way it was strung.

        I remember at one rehearsal seeing him take Brendan O'Brien's fiddle out of his hand, to illustrate how he wanted a particular solo played.

        HS

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        • Joseph K
          Banned
          • Oct 2017
          • 7765

          #5
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Boulez famously could (and did) use both arms to beat different time signatures in different Tempi.
          Wow!

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          • Joseph K
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            • Oct 2017
            • 7765

            #6
            Not a conductor, but entertainingly preposterous.

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
              • 37703

              #7
              Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
              Wow!
              You had to hand it to him!

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                • Nov 2010
                • 20570

                #8
                Presumably pianists can claim ambidexterity?

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                • gradus
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  Presumably pianists can claim ambidexterity?
                  Quadri-dexterity (?) for organists.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Presumably pianists can claim ambidexterity?
                    And stringed instrument players, too - each hand doing very different things (though one trusts that each knows what the other is doing).
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gradus View Post
                      Quadri-dexterity (?) for organists.
                      "Double Dexters"? (Like buses?)
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • Simon B
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 779

                        #12
                        Good percussionists (and presumably many other instrumentalists) have the "separation" to do rhythmically independent things with each hand, and also often feet. Just about anyone can do 3 against 2, but it starts to get impressive at around 7 against 6...

                        Good conductors do quite independent things with both arms but I've never seen one before who can swap the roles of each in an instant with everything being otherwise superficially identical. If nothing else it provided distraction in the relatively sparse dull moments of Verdi's score...

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                        • MrGongGong
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          #13

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20570

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            And stringed instrument players, too - each hand doing very different things (though one trusts that each knows what the other is doing).
                            Yes, but how many could reverse the situation, re bowing and fingering?

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                            • Bergonzi
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2018
                              • 122

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Simon B View Post
                              There have previously been threads here concerning left handed conductors (Donald Runnicles being a prominent current example) and pondering how it is to be on the receiving end of such carving...

                              How about an ambidextrous conductor though? I was unaware such mythic beasts existed until this weekend. I had a good view into the pit at WNO's really rather good Forza del Destino on Saturday and my attention was drawn to Carlo Rizzi conducting with baton in left hand. I could have sworn he had been right handed for the previous 20 years!

                              For the rest of the evening he switched, sometimes in a fraction of a second, back and forth, seemingly at random. The gestures looked pretty well indistinguishable from a distance.

                              (As an aside my understanding is that he was a bit of a tyrant back in the day but has mellowed a little. I certainly appreciated it when he got fed up and briefly stopped everything to glare furiously at the perpetrator of one of the preposterously frequent barrages of coughing from some of the audience in an otherwise surprisingly gripping Tosca on Friday. I was hoping for more of a baton smashing and volley of furious Italian abuse incident. It would have been richly deserved).

                              Have there been any other conductors of note in the habit of demonstrating this unusual but not obviously useful skill? It must be a bit disconcerting to follow at first. Maybe that's the idea? Something seemed to work - the WNO orchestra outshone even the pretty excellent singing from the principals in the Verdi. Pity the libretto is rather a shambles, but it didn't matter all that much.
                              Well, orchestral players do not like these sort of antics. And most orchestral players do not like CR. Personally I find his tempos too fast and generally unmusical.

                              But there must be someone who likes him ...

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