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  • Barbirollians
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    • Nov 2010
    • 11774

    Pat Kop

    A partly fascinating and partly irritating interview with Pat Kop in Gramophone today about her new recording.

    Jurowski apparently refuses to conduct the Tchaikovsky Concerto with her . Also she seems to be channelling the younger Nigel Kennedy by whinging about playing the music of dead composers .
  • pastoralguy
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7818

    #2
    Imho, she is one of the most interesting violinists before the public today. Her violinistic ability is nothing short of phenomenal coupled to the ability to make old 'warhorses' sound new and spontaneous. I don't like everything she does but I am aware of a probing and a highly refreshing ability to take nothing for granted. No 'going through the motions' for this lady!

    I'm not sure comparing her to Nigel Kennedy is really a fair comparison since she doesn't dabble in 'pseudo jazz' nor confuse being an artist with being an entertainer. I no longer have much respect for Kennedy despite his playing being a major influence on my own extremely modest musical accompaniments.

    Returning to Pat Kop, I find her performances and recordings to be stimulating and infuriating at the same time. (Reminding me of Glenn Gould perhaps). At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to go to her concerts, buy her cds or watch her fascinating YouTube videos. Those who do, will be faced with an artist whose not afraid to be original and, in these days of Asian sound alike 'clones', this can only be a good thing.

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    • Tony Halstead
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1717

      #3
      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
      A partly fascinating and partly irritating interview with Pat Kop in Gramophone today about her new recording.

      Jurowski apparently refuses to conduct the Tchaikovsky Concerto with her . Also she seems to be channelling the younger Nigel Kennedy by whinging about playing the music of dead composers .
      I wonder whether Jurowski's stance is a musical one or a political one?

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      • Barbirollians
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 11774

        #4
        Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
        Imho, she is one of the most interesting violinists before the public today. Her violinistic ability is nothing short of phenomenal coupled to the ability to make old 'warhorses' sound new and spontaneous. I don't like everything she does but I am aware of a probing and a highly refreshing ability to take nothing for granted. No 'going through the motions' for this lady!

        I'm not sure comparing her to Nigel Kennedy is really a fair comparison since she doesn't dabble in 'pseudo jazz' nor confuse being an artist with being an entertainer. I no longer have much respect for Kennedy despite his playing being a major influence on my own extremely modest musical accompaniments.

        Returning to Pat Kop, I find her performances and recordings to be stimulating and infuriating at the same time. (Reminding me of Glenn Gould perhaps). At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to go to her concerts, buy her cds or watch her fascinating YouTube videos. Those who do, will be faced with an artist whose not afraid to be original and, in these days of Asian sound alike 'clones', this can only be a good thing.
        I agree with your assessment of her as a performer I found her Bartok 2 sensational and her Beethoven infuriating . This not wanting to play works by dead composers is exactly what Kennedy was saying for very similar reasons . Apparently, she is to be indulged in this at the Aldeburgh Festival this summer .

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        • Barbirollians
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          • Nov 2010
          • 11774

          #5
          Originally posted by Tony View Post
          I wonder whether Jurowski's stance is a musical one or a political one?
          Musical apparently as he is a pal of hers otherwise it seems and conducted her recording of the Stravinsky and Prokofiev 2 .

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          • Stanfordian
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 9330

            #6
            Pat Kop's new release 'Deux' on Alpha Classics is excellent.

            Bartok Violin Sonata No. 2
            Poulenc Violin Sonata
            Ravel Tzigane
            Dohnányi Waltz for Coppélia

            with Polina Leschenko (piano)

            I'm not really interested in her views on this and that. How any people buy her records because of her views. She's a performer and I'm more interested in her playing.
            Last edited by Stanfordian; 29-01-18, 10:58.

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16123

              #7
              Refusing as a matter of principle to perform works by dead composers is not only very narrow minded but also fraught with a certain risk; supposing, for example, that Pat Kop (undoubtedly a fine and exciting violinist when at her best), had been engaged in 2012 to prepare and perform Carter's Concerto the following year - would she have cancelled?

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                #8
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                Refusing as a matter of principle to perform works by dead composers
                This is a bit different from the OP's "whinging about" doing this - and, judging from Stanf's list of the works on her latest release, it seems more like putting out the bins: there might well be "whinging", but it's still necessary and still gets done.
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                  Refusing as a matter of principle to perform works by dead composers is not only very narrow minded but also fraught with a certain risk; supposing, for example, that Pat Kop (undoubtedly a fine and exciting violinist when at her best), had been engaged in 2012 to prepare and perform Carter's Concerto the following year - would she have cancelled?

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                  • ahinton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 16123

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    This is a bit different from the OP's "whinging about" doing this - and, judging from Stanf's list of the works on her latest release, it seems more like putting out the bins: there might well be "whinging", but it's still necessary and still gets done.
                    Indeed.

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16123

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      Quoi?...

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25234

                        #12
                        It would be interesting to see an actual quote concerning the "whingeing".

                        I have seen her perform twice, and on both occasions the composer of the Concerto was definitely no longer with us.

                        i would think that, as usual, money talks.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          Quoi?...
                          Never mind Carter, what about her willingness to record the Tchaikovsky, admittedly in a somewhat wayward manner and to decidedly mixed reviews. Also, Ligeti and Bartok do not seem to be counted among the dead for her. I must get down to W H Smug to check out that she actually had to say about dead composers.

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16123

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            Never mind Carter, what about her willingness to record the Tchaikovsky, admittedly in a somewhat wayward manner and to decidedly mixed reviews. Also, Ligeti and Bartok do not seem to be counted among the dead for her. I must get down to W H Smug to check out that she actually had to say about dead composers.
                            Fair comment but, when making the remark that I did about not performing dead composers' works, I was referring to that principle rather than to any individual performer; even though Pat Kop is the thread topic, I don't know exactly what she said either and so I simply responded to the idea of doing this.

                            In their early days especially, the Arditti Quartet used to play very few works by dead composers and, notwithstanding my acceptance that, unlike most such ensembles, they had to spend considerable amounts of time addressing new playing techniques, notational conventions and the like, I did wonder whether this was a good idea, not least because the string quartet is such a long-standing and enduring ensemble.
                            Last edited by ahinton; 29-01-18, 13:10.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                              Fair comment but, when makimng the remark that I did about not performing dead composers' works, I was referring to that principle rather than to any individual performer; even though Pat Kop is the thread topic, I don't know exactlyt what she said either and so I simply responded to the idea of doing this.

                              In their early days especially, the Arditti Quartet used to play very few works by dead composers and, notwithstanding my acceptance that, unlike most such ensembles, they had to spend considerable amounts of time addressing new playing techniques, notational conventions and the like, I did wonder whether this was a good idea, not least because the string quartet is such a long-standing and enduring ensemble.
                              O.k. One of the first Arditti recordings I bought, by the way, included some long dead guy's Grosse Fuge.

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