Second Viennese School - Roll Call

[Bryn]

Reggie Smith Brindle
Mátyás Seiber

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Luigi Dallapiccola!

Can't belieeeve I missed out Dallapiccola!!!!

[Tony Halstead]

Luigi Dallapiccola!

Can't belieeeve I missed out Dallapiccola!!!!

Hanns Jelinek (1901-1969).
I used to play his charming, ingenious 12-tone piano pieces when I was at Chetham's School in the 1950s.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Hanns Jelinek (1901-1969).
I used to play his charming, ingenious 12-tone piano pieces when I was at Chetham's School in the 1950s.

- a name new to me: many thanks, Tony.

[ahinton]

I have listened to a fair amount of Charles Wuorinen and Humphrey Searl over recent years. Unsurprisingly, I put these composers into the 2VS acolyte cluster.

But who else can we put there/in the 2SV school?

Can we make a list?

C'mon, we love a list!

Here goes ....

Starter for ten ....

Schoenberg
Berg
Webern
Wellesz
Ernst Krenek
Zemlinsky
Ruth Crawford Seeger
Elizabeth Lutyens
Alexander Goehr
Charles Wuorinen
Alistair Hinton (on account of his teachers and his string quintet (which has loads of LvB, too ))

And ....

Toch?
Anyone else?

I'm extremely flattered but far from certain that I merit inclusion in so distinguished a pantheon of 2VS composers, but the tutelage to which you refer was certainly oriented principally in that direction (and, in the case of Emile Spira, it initially felt as though I'd been relocated to Darmstadt!) although, in Humphrey Searle's case, this was tempered to some degree by the examples of Liszt and Alkan (and analysing Beethoen Quartets together)...

[ahinton]

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[LeMartinPecheur]

Hanns Jelinek (1901-1969).

One of the Jelineks from the area between the Broad and the High, Oxford??

[Serial_Apologist]

Is the thread remit now to list all 12-tone composers? There are, or once were, an awful lot of them!

[Beef Oven!]

Is the thread remit now to list all 12-tone composers? There are, or once were, an awful lot of them!

We're getting there!

[Serial_Apologist]

The "Cool" fugue in "West Side Story" is based on a 12-tone row. Derek Bourgeois told me that, many years ago, so it has to be right.

[teamsaint]

The "Cool" fugue in "West Side Story" is based on a 12-tone row. Derek Bourgeois told me that, many years ago, so it has to be right.

As are elements of " Music I heard with you," apparently.

https://leonardbernstein.com/works/view/61/songfest

What a lovely song title that is.

[ahinton]

Is the thread remit now to list all 12-tone composers? There are, or once were, an awful lot of them!

Indeed - but that's where I think that I really have to hang up my pen and bow out gracefully, for on each occasion when I have used a 12-note theme (and there have been a fair few such cases) I have never wanted to treat it serially; in fact, it's been the non-dodecaphonic aspects of the work of 2VS composers that got my juices running, especially in the case of many of the works of Schönberg up to and including Erwartung and the Five Orchestral Pieces (and also the first three symphonies of Krenek, all of which were composed before Schönberg's first forays into serialism and all of which deserve far more public performances than they get).

[Beef Oven!]

Not really about 12-tone, more about composers with a reasonable connection to the Second Viennese School (and that does include you, ahinton!)

[ahinton]

Not really about 12-tone, more about composers with a reasonable connection to the Second Viennese School (and that does include you, ahinton!)

Yes - and thank you very much! 2VS isn't all about dodecaphony, after all...(!)...

[teamsaint]

Just by way of mentioing that that this highly regarded set https://www.amazon.co.uk/RIAS-SECOND...sr=1-1-catcorr

seems to be available at a decent price again. There is more than one listing on amazon, but I think it has routinely been much more expensive. I do know that JLW said ,that it is a lovely box set in all regards.