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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
    • 16122

    #61
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Deary me - fancy me missing this early piece of Vaughan Williams, from a crucial period in his output of huge interest to me! Shall have to give that a listen, anon!
    Jayne's references to the two by Martinu reminded me to mention the first by Bloch. Then of course there's the early unfinished one (first movement only) in C major by Webern that opens with a phrase so reminiscent of one from the Trio section of Elgar's Pomp & Circumstance March No. 1 (yes, the dreaded Land of Grope and Tory so beloved of Proms last-nighters) as to make one wonder momentarily if he was taking the ****. By the way, the series title of those six marches derives from a line in Othello, Act III, Scene 3 that runs "Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!"; the fourth line before it runs "Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump", of which no more need be said, methinks...

    Back il più presto possibile to piano quintets!...

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    • kea
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      • Dec 2013
      • 749

      #62
      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
      Extraordinary indeed, for all its affiliations with his mentor DDS...
      Which would likely be minimal, as Weinberg wrote the piece before actually meeting Shostakovich or becoming well acquainted with his music, iirc.

      I prefer it to the Shostakovich work by a large margin, as well, though most people won't.

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      • ahinton
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        • Nov 2010
        • 16122

        #63
        Originally posted by kea View Post
        Which would likely be minimal, as Weinberg wrote the piece before actually meeting Shostakovich or becoming well acquainted with his music, iirc.

        I prefer it to the Shostakovich work by a large margin, as well, though most people won't.
        Perhaps it's a case of what Ronald Stevenson used to call "enharmonic thinking", in the sense of a piece where an influence is not an influence as customarily understood but more of an instance of parallel thinking. The Shostakovich Piano Quintet is a great work and widely acknowledged as such, with eminently good reason. The Weinberg is likewise but not yet so widely appreciated, although I suspect that it wll come to be so, again with eminently good reason.

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #64
          Shostakovich wrote one of my favourites. Marc-Andre Hamlin and The Tackacs give a really good accont of this. As does Martha Argerich on Warner Bros,.
          Last edited by BBMmk2; 04-07-17, 20:48.
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • Bryn
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            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            #65
            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
            Shostakovich wrote one of my favourites. Marc-Andre Hamlin and The Tackacs give a really god accont of this. As does Martha Argerich on Warner Bros,.
            Shostakovich was well known for his atheism, so a god account of his piano quintet would surely be unidiomatic, would it not?

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            • BBMmk2
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              #66
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Shostakovich was well known for his atheism, so a god account of his piano quintet would surely be unidiomatic, would it not?
              Indeed itwould. Apologies for not seeing that.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • BBMmk2
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                • Nov 2010
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                #67
                Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                Shostakovich wrote one of my favourites. Marc-Andre Hamlin and The Tackacs give a really good accont of this. As does Martha Argerich on Warner Bros,.
                All good now.

                I forgot I had Ashkenazy's recording as well.
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                  All good now.

                  I forgot I had Ashkenazy's recording as well.
                  Surely you also have at least one of the Richter/Borodins recordings?

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                  • gurnemanz
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7381

                    #69
                    The Borodin is a delightful early work written in Italy just after he fell in love with the future Mrs Borodin.

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                    • Barbirollians
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11669

                      #70
                      I enjoyed the Zarebski Quintet recorded by Argerich and friends in Lugano a couple of years back .

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                      • ahinton
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 16122

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                        Shostakovich was well known for his atheism, so a god account of his piano quintet would surely be unidiomatic, would it not?
                        He did say that he was very sorry about it, though...

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          Surely you also have at least one of the Richter/Borodins recordings?

                          ermmm. no! Must rectify that ASAP.
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26523

                            #73
                            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                            I haven't checked, but regarding Faure, i wasn't aware that he wrote two Quintets. I thought it was a Quartet and a Quintet
                            Yup, two of each. All well worth getting to know!
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26523

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                              Like buses?

                              R3 today 13:00

                              Vaughan Williams: St Denio (Scherzo) from Welsh Hymn Tunes
                              Bruch: String Quintet in E flat major
                              Vaughan Williams: Piano Quintet in C minor (1903)
                              Nash Ensemble
                              And today at 13:00

                              Vaughan Williams: Phantasy String Quintet
                              Bruch: Eight Pieces for clarinet, viola and piano (selection)
                              Vaughan Williams: Quintet in D major for clarinet, horn, violin, cello and piano (1898)
                              Nash Ensemble

                              And for that matter, tomorrow:

                              Bruch: Piano Quintet in G minor
                              Vaughan Williams: String Quartet No 2 in A minor
                              Nash Ensemble
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37598

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                And today at 13:00

                                Vaughan Williams: Phantasy String Quintet
                                Bruch: Eight Pieces for clarinet, viola and piano (selection)
                                Vaughan Williams: Quintet in D major for clarinet, horn, violin, cello and piano (1898)
                                Nash Ensemble

                                And for that matter, tomorrow:

                                Bruch: Piano Quintet in G minor
                                Vaughan Williams: String Quartet No 2 in A minor
                                Nash Ensemble
                                Thanks for these reminders, Cali - the first Vaughan Williams quartet from 1908, written as soon as he got back from studying with Ravel - the one that seldom gets heard on Radio 3 - is the more interesting one.

                                Anyway...

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