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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    Ah! vous dirai-je, maman

    Better known to us as "Twinkle, twinkle, little star", and (slightly amended) as "Ba, ba, black sheep".

    I learnt to play the piano with the assistance of the Eclipse Piano Tutor in the late 1950s, and Ah! vous dirai-je, maman was there on page 34 (unusually, in F major). The composer's name was MOZART.

    I picked up one of those "fascinating facts" trivia books, and on page, the fascinating fact was that Mozart composed "Twinkle, twinkle, little star".

    I taught the clarient as part of my last teaching job. The tutor "Clarinet Basics" by Paul Harris included the same tune, saying it was by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

    So how it is that a tune composed in the 1740s is wrongly attributed to Mozart, even by Paul Harris, who surely should know better?

    OK, Mozart composed a fine set of piano variations on this particular theme, but to use that as evidence is like saying Beethoven composed Rule Britannia, or that Brahms, Rachmaninov, Andrew Lloyd Webber, etc, composed that famous bouncy theme.
  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
    • 30302

    #2
    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
    So how it is that a tune composed in the 1740s is wrongly attributed to Mozart, even by Paul Harris, who surely should know better?
    At least the French know better. It was/is a well-known children's song and according to Wikipedia (had to check this - must be right ) 'Twinkle, twinkle' was based on the French song.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12843

      #3
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      ... more innarestin' info here :

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      • jean
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7100

        #4
        Mozart was responsible for the top Cs in Allegri's Miserere, though.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20570

          #5
          Originally posted by jean View Post
          Mozart was responsible for the top Cs in Allegri's Miserere, though.
          Was that definitely Mozart?

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 20570

            #6
            Originally posted by jean View Post
            Mozart was responsible for the top Cs in Allegri's Miserere, though.
            Was that definitely Mozart?

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            • jean
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              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              #7
              No, definitely not! (I was just continuing the spirit of the OP....)

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              • Nevilevelis

                #8
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Was that definitely Mozart?
                As we all know, a schoolboy error was responsible for that; a mistranscription of the second choir by W.S. Rockstro for Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians in 1880 and published by Robert Haas in 1932.



                NVV

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20570

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jean View Post
                  No, definitely not! (I was just continuing the spirit of the OP....)
                  Ah, I see. I too am gullible.

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20570

                    #10
                    I particularly like Dohnanyi's version.


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