What Classical Music Are You listening to Now? III

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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
    • 16122

    Originally posted by RichardB View Post
    George Perle refers to two and a half pages of sketches for a third movement, which "appears to have been intended as a scherzo". Webern abandoned his plan, which (according to Ernst Krenek) appeared to be at a dead end, and moved on to the op.22 quartet. So he seems to have decided that the two existing movements could stand on their own. Perle makes no reference to the possibility of finishing it.
    Sounds like a similar fate to that of Berg's Op. 1 piano sonata...

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by RichardB View Post
      George Perle refers to two and a half pages of sketches for a third movement, which "appears to have been intended as a scherzo". Webern abandoned his plan, which (according to Ernst Krenek) appeared to be at a dead end, and moved on to the op.22 quartet. So he seems to have decided that the two existing movements could stand on their own. Perle makes no reference to the possibility of finishing it.
      My first thought was Perle but the Internet has not offered up any help in tracking down the Radio 3 broadcast in question. It was during the late 1970s or early 1989s, possibly associated with a series of short programmes offering the complete works, including early arrangements of compositions by others such as Siegfrieds Schwert.

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      • Stanfordian
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 9253

        Donizetti
        ‘Parisina’ tragic melodrama in 3 acts (1833)
        Azzo - Dario Solari (baritone); Parisina - Carmen Giannattasio (soprano);
        Ugo - José Bros (tenor); Ernesto - Nicola Ulivieri (bass); Imelda - Ann Taylor (mezzo)
        Geoffrey Mitchell Choir,
        London Philharmonic Orchestra / David Parry
        Recorded 2008 Henry Wood Hall, London
        Opera Rara 3 CD set

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        • Keith
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          • Nov 2019
          • 16

          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          Who was it who constructed a third movement for Op. 21 to complete the palindrome? I had a Radio 3 programme about it on cassette but have lost track[sic] of it.
          Alan Stout, apparently. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/9ef7005a...97f5447476b4f3

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          • edashtav
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            • Jul 2012
            • 3416

            Originally posted by Keith View Post
            Alan Stout was an American teacher and composer whose zenith was around 50 years ago and who died in 2018. Bruce Duffie recorded an interesting conversation with him:

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            • Mandryka
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              • Feb 2021
              • 1425

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              My first thought was Perle but the Internet has not offered up any help in tracking down the Radio 3 broadcast in question. It was during the late 1970s or early 1989s, possibly associated with a series of short programmes offering the complete works, including early arrangements of compositions by others such as Siegfrieds Schwert.
              What is Siegfrieds Schwert? (You are not allowed to answer Nothung.)

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                What is Siegfrieds Schwert? (You are not allowed to answer Nothung.)


                Though now considered to be an arrangement by Webern, rather than an original composition by him.

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by Keith View Post
                  Thanks for that. Yes, that name rings a bell. I note that Paul Griffiths dismissed it at the time: https://www.jstor.org/stable/961757, though he failed to mention Alan Stout.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    Frederic Rweski
                    36 Variations on The People United will Never be Defeated
                    North American Ballads (Paul Jacobs)
                    (I) Down by the Riverside
                    (II) Winsboro Cotton Mills
                    Marc-André Hamelin (piano).

                    Alban Berg
                    Piano Sonata, Op.1 (orch.Andrew Davis)
                    Three Orchestral Pieces, Op.6
                    Violin Concerto
                    James Ehnes (Violin)
                    BBC Symphony Orchestra
                    Sir Andrew Davis
                    Last edited by BBMmk2; 19-10-22, 11:14.
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • Stanfordian
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 9253

                      Galina Gorchakova – ‘Italian Opera Arias’
                      16 Opera Arias from Mascagni, Puccini, Leoncavallo, Catalani, Cilea, Verdi

                      Galina Gorchakova (soprano)
                      Philharmonia of Russia / Constantine Orbelian
                      Recorded 2001 Great Hall, Moscow State Conservatory, Moscow
                      Delos, CD

                      Daniil Trifonov – ‘Silver Age’
                      Stravinsky

                      Serenade in A
                      The Firebird (1910) Suite for piano arr. Guido Agosti
                      Three Movements from Petrushka
                      Prokofiev
                      Sarcasms, Op. 17
                      Piano Sonata No. 8 in B flat major, Op. 84
                      Gavotte from Three Pieces from Cinderella, Op. 95
                      Piano Concerto No. 2 in G minor, Op. 16
                      Scriabin
                      Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, Op. 20
                      Daniil Trifonov (piano)
                      Mariinsky Orchestra / Valery Gergiev
                      Recorded 2019, Concert Hall, Mariinsky Theatre, St. Petersburg, Russia (concertos);
                      Richardson Auditorium, Alexander Hall, Princeton University, Princeton, USA
                      Deutsche Grammophon, 2 CDs

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                      • Stanfordian
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 9253

                        Massenet
                        ‘Hérodiade’ grand opera in four acts (version in French)
                        Cheryl Studer (Salomé), Nadine Denize (Hérodiade), Martine Olmeda (A Babylonian girl),
                        Ben Heppner (Jean), Thomas Hampson (Hérode), Jose Van Dam (Phanuel),
                        Marcel Vanaud (Vitellius), Jean-Philippe Courtis (High Priest) & Jean-Paul Fouchecourt (Voice in the temple)
                        Sociedad Choral de Bilbao,
                        Choeur et Orchestre National du Capitole de Toulouse / Michel Plasson
                        Recorded 1994 Halle-aux-grains, Toulouse
                        EMI Classics, 2 CD set

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                        • Mandryka
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                          • Feb 2021
                          • 1425

                          Georg Friedrich Haas, weiter und weiter und weiter, from Donaueschinger on the 16th of this month. Surprisingly exciting and loud! A bit long for me at 40 minutes, but I should be able to stay with it I think.

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                          • Mandryka
                            Full Member
                            • Feb 2021
                            • 1425

                            Eliahu Inbal's Denon Webern op 21. Slower even than Holliger, and while I didn't really appreciate Holliger's, I like this one immediately.



                            Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                            Georg Friedrich Haas, weiter und weiter und weiter, from Donaueschinger on the 16th of this month. Surprisingly exciting and loud! A bit long for me at 40 minutes, but I should be able to stay with it I think.

                            That was optimistic.

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                            • RichardB
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2021
                              • 2170

                              Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                              Georg Friedrich Haas, weiter und weiter und weiter, from Donaueschinger on the 16th of this month. Surprisingly exciting and loud! A bit long
                              The clue is perhaps in the title!

                              (The place is called Donaueschingen by the way. The "-er" is an attributive ending used for the festival's full title "Donaueschinger Musiktage" - "music days of Donaueschingen").

                              Having remembered my enthusiasm for Mikhail Rudy's Scriabin, now playing is his Janáček disc, which seems pretty good although this isn't music I know well, not yet anyway.

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                              • Mandryka
                                Full Member
                                • Feb 2021
                                • 1425

                                Originally posted by RichardB View Post
                                The clue is perhaps in the title!

                                (The place is called Donaueschingen by the way. The "-er" is an attributive ending used for the festival's full title "Donaueschinger Musiktage" - "music days of Donaueschingen").

                                Having remembered my enthusiasm for Mikhail Rudy's Scriabin, now playing is his Janáček disc, which seems pretty good although this isn't music I know well, not yet anyway.
                                His disc of Schumann chamber music, märchenerzählungen especially, is something I remember loving. Also Wagner transcriptions -- I remember a beautiful Siegfried Idyll.

                                And yes, the Haas goes on and on and on!

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