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  • Suffolkcoastal
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3290

    The 2016 Survey of 'Classical' Music on Radio 3

    Welcome to my 8th annual review of ‘Classical Music’ on Radio 3. For details of how this is done/calculated please see the earlier reviews. I have though made some changes in the way the information is presented:
    • The raw data with the actual number of pieces/chunks instead of rounding to the nearest 5.
    • As the survey is now in its 8th year, I thought it would be more useful to show the total average per composer over the previous 7 years in comparison, instead of the percentage difference from the previous 2 years’ figures.
    • I’ve kept the composer list to those with 50 or more pieces/chunks broadcast, however if you would like the figures for 2016 for other composers, as well as their average from the previous 7 years I will be happy to supply them.

    Though I cannot guarantee that the figures for each composer are 100% accurate as I’m not perfect and can miss the odd piece/chunk, I would say that it’s around 99% accurate and I use the same method each year to try and maintain consistency of approach.

    The first full year of the new Controller made this an even more interesting year than usual and one that was eagerly anticipated. Though there have been a few more interesting ideas, the overall results didn’t change substantially from previous years. A point of particular concern was a further 9% increase in the number of non-classical works in predominantly classical programmes/slots and now accounting for over 5% of the total pieces/chunks broadcast in predominantly classical slots. There was also a further increase by 3% in traditional/folk/world music. The overall number of pieces/chunks on R3 was very similar to 2015. Warhorse totals too remained fairly similar to the last couple of years with some flunctuation. We’re still getting Slavonic & Hungarian Dances roughly every 3 days on average and Debussy Preludes & Schubert Impromptus every 4 days on average, and Ravel’s Daphnis & Chloe was considerably overplayed.

    Anniversary Composers
    Rather disappointing really. Satie faired quite well, as did Dutilleux, G Butterworth & Reich in his 80th Birthday year. Granados was only fractionally up and the totals for Sterndale Bennett, Reger & Ginastera were very disappointing. Busoni fared even worse and has had better years. Babbitt was given but brief acknowledgement and the treatment of Kalliwoda & Englund was insulting.
    Winners and losers
    Some surprises with some of the major composers, Mozart, Brahms & Chopin a fair bit down on the last couple of years and major decreases in the amount of Grieg, Sibelius & Richard Strauss, also another particularly poor year for Rossini & Monteverdi, though the latter’s may be compensated with this year’s 450th birth anniversary. The French quartet favoured by RW; Debussy, Ravel, Faure & Poulenc maintained strong showings, especially the former. There were also good years for Robert Schumann, Gershwin, Janacek, Villa-Lobos & Tchaikovsky as well as a recovery for Britten after two relatively poor years and Bartok at least maintaining a healthy presence after his decline under RW.
    Women Composers
    The continued focus on women composers this year again produced a very mixed bag; with Clara Schumann, Fanny Mendelssohn & Barbara Strozzi being favoured in particular.
    Composers by Region
    Scandinavian composers had an exceptionally poor year all round, by far the worse year since I began my survey in 2009. Russian composers generally did ok, with increases in Prokofiev & Shostakovich, as well as Tchaikovsky, but Mussorgsky doing less well & Weinberg returning back to relative obscurity after 2014 seemed to promise an increase in interest. Eastern European composers roughly remained on par with a welcome increase in Enescu. The same French composers as usual did well, the others as usual had poor years. British music was very much hit & miss, some previously neglected composers having a welcome increase in representation, whilst others remained in the doldrums again. American music remained, with the odd composer/work exception, rather poorly represented.

    Continued below:
  • Suffolkcoastal
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3290

    #2
    Key is as follows:
    Position in 2016 - Composer - 2016 Total - 2009-15 Average

    • 1 • BACH J S • 1543 • 1424
    • 2 • MOZART W A • 1319 • 1376
    • 3 • BEETHOVEN • 995 • 1016
    • 4 • SCHUBERT • 985 • 993
    • 5 • BRAHMS • 685 • 750
    • 6 • HANDEL • 676 • 767
    • 7 • HAYDN F J • 635 • 708
    • 8 • CHOPIN • 629 • 713
    • 9 • DEBUSSY • 562 • 521
    • 10 • SCHUMANN R • 551 • 541
    • 11 • TCHAIKOVSKY • 515 • 495
    • 12 • DVORAK • 489 • 506
    • 13 • MENDELSSOHN FELIX • 480 • 545
    • 14 • RAVEL • 432 • 435
    • 15 • VIVALDI • 417 • 464
    • 16 • LISZT • 346 • 402
    • 17 • ELGAR • 339 • 346
    • 18 • BRITTEN • 334 • 384
    • 19 • PURCELL H • 334 • 342
    • 20 • RACHMANINOV • 324 • 322
    • 21 • VAUGHAN WILLIAMS • 317 • 276
    • 22 • PROKOFIEV S • 289 • 260
    • 23 • SHOSTAKOVICH • 281 • 256
    • 24 • STRAVINSKY • 277 • 250
    • 25 • GRIEG • 268 • 320
    • 26 • SIBELIUS • 265 • 347
    • 27 • STRAUSS R • 264 • 374
    • 28 • FAURE • 255 • 245
    • 29 • WAGNER R • 226 • 258
    • 30 • TELEMANN • 225 • 217
    • 31 • VERDI • 223 • 257
    • 32 • SAINT-SAENS • 220 • 233
    • 33 • GERSHWIN • 216 • 172
    • 34 • POULENC • 208 • 167
    • 35 • MAHLER G • 188 • 201
    • 36 • BARTOK • 172 • 170
    • 37 • BERLIOZ • 166 • 197
    • 38 • SCARLATTI D • 165 • 149
    • 39 • BYRD • 161 • 148
    • 40 • JANACEK • 155 • 129
    • 41 • ROSSINI • 153 • 199
    • 42 • SATIE • 152 • 73
    • 43 • STRAUSS J II • 151 • 156
    • 44 • RAMEAU • 139 • 158
    • 45 • WEBER C M VON • 136 • 143
    • 46 • NIELSEN C • 135 • 137
    • 47 • BACH C P E • 128 • 144
    • 48 • HOLST G • 126 • 139
    • 49 • RIMSKY KORSAKOV • 125 • 109
    • 50 • WALTON • 124 • 138
    • 51 • MONTEVERDI • 120 • 171
    • 52 • GRAINGER • 110 • 124
    • 52 • PUCCINI • 110 • 123
    • 53 • BRUCKNER • 108 • 112
    • 54 • DOWLAND • 103 • 87
    • 55 • PART • 101 • 85
    • 57 • VILLA LOBOS • 99 • 65
    • 56 • SMETANA • 96 • 106
    • 57 • REICH • 91 • 38
    • 58 • BUTTERWORTH G • 90 • 36
    • 59 • ARNOLD • 89 • 71
    • 59 • BIZET • 89 • 107
    • 60 • COPLAND • 87 • 102
    • 60 • DAVIES P MAXWELL • 87 • 36
    • 60 • SULLIVAN • 87 • 73
    • 61 • DELIUS • 84 • 98
    • 62 • FINZI • 83 • 51
    • 63 • TALLIS • 82 • 87
    • 64 • DUTILLEUX • 80 • 15
    • 64 • MARTINU • 80 • 67
    • 64 • PALESTRINA • 80 • 70
    • 65 • MUSSORGSKY • 78 • 88
    • 65 • SCHUMANN C • 78 • 35
    • 66 • SCRIABIN • 77 • 72
    • 67 • COUPERIN F • 76 • 70
    • 68 • BERNSTEIN L • 75 • 93
    • 68 • CORELLI • 75 • 80
    • 69 • REGER • 72 • 34
    • 69 • RESPIGHI • 72 • 87
    • 70 • FRANCK C • 69 • 76
    • 70 • GRANADOS • 69 • 44
    • 70 • LIGETI • 69 • 54
    • 70 • STROZZI • 69 • 9
    • 71 • BIBER • 67 • 52
    • 71 • CHABRIER • 67 • 68
    • 71 • GLASS P • 67 • 47
    • 71 • GLINKA • 67 • 61
    • 72 • GLAZUNOV • 66 • 76
    • 72 • PAGANINI • 66 • 68
    • 72 • SCHOENBERG • 66 • 68
    • 72 • SCHUTZ • 66 • 51
    • 73 • PIAZZOLLA • 65 • 59
    • 74 • GABRIELI G • 64 • 62
    • 74 • WOLF H • 64 • 73
    • 75 • KODALY • 63 • 84
    • 75 • TIPPETT • 63 • 46
    • 76 • GIBBONS O • 61 • 41
    • 77 • HOWELLS • 60 • 51
    • 77 • KREISLER F • 60 • 73
    • 78 • MESSIAEN • 59 • 60
    • 79 • BORODIN • 58 • 69
    • 79 • ENESCU • 58 • 35
    • 79 • KANER • 58 • N/A
    • 80 • ALBENIZ • 57 • 68
    • 80 • BRUCH • 57 • 58
    • 80 • MENDELSSOHN FANNY • 57 • 21
    • 81 • BUXTEHUDE • 56 • 67
    • 82 • MACMILLAN J • 55 • 48
    • 83 • BARBER • 54 • 83
    • 83 • KORNGOLD • 54 • 63
    • 83 • SUK • 54 • 58
    • 84 • BRIDGE • 53 • 72
    • 84 • FALLA • 53 • 77
    • 85 • STANFORD • 52 • 58
    • 86 • GESUALDO • 51 • 42
    • 86 • GLUCK • 51 • 67
    • 87 • CHARPENTIER M A • 50 • 23

    Below are the 2015 positions for comparison:
    • 1 • BACH J S
    • 2 • MOZART W A
    • 3 • BEETHOVEN
    • 4 • SCHUBERT
    • 5 • BRAHMS
    • 6 • HAYDN F J
    • 7 • HANDEL
    • 8 • CHOPIN
    • 9 • MENDELSSOHN FELIX
    • 10 • SIBELIUS
    • 11 • DEBUSSY
    • 12 • TCHAIKOVSKY
    • 13 • DVORAK
    • 14 • VIVALDI
    • 15 • SCHUMANN R
    • 16 • RAVEL
    • 17 • STRAUSS R
    • 18 • GRIEG
    • 19 • RACHMANINOV
    • 20 • ELGAR
    • 21 • LISZT
    • 22 • PURCELL H
    • 23 • PROKOFIEV S
    • 24 • SHOSTAKOVICH
    • 25 • VAUGHAN WILLIAMS
    • 26 • BRITTEN
    • 27 • NIELSEN C
    • 28 • FAURE
    • 29 • POULENC
    • 30 • SAINT-SAENS
    • 31 • STRAVINSKY
    • 32 • VERDI
    • 33 • BARTOK
    • 34 • BERLIOZ
    • 35 • WAGNER R
    • 36 • SCRIABIN
    • 37 • RAMEAU
    • 38 • TELEMANN
    • 39 • WALTON
    • 40 • MAHLER G
    • 41 • PART
    • 42 • GERSHWIN
    • 43 • HOLST G
    • 44 • ROSSINI
    • 45 • SCARLATTI D
    • 46 • BACH C P E
    • 47 • MONTEVERDI
    • 48 • BRUCKNER
    • 49 • STRAUSS J II
    • 50 • WEBER C M VON
    • 51 • BYRD
    • 52 • RIMSKY KORSAKOV
    • 53 • PUCCINI
    • 54 • JANACEK
    • 55 • SCHUTZ
    • 56 • COPLAND
    • 57 • BERNSTEIN L
    • 58 • TALLIS
    • 59 • GRAINGER
    • 60 • KODALY
    • 61 • SULLIVAN
    • 62 • SCHOENBERG
    • 63 • SMETANA
    • 64 • BIZET
    • 65 • GLAZUNOV
    • 66 • RESPIGHI
    • 67 • CHABRIER
    • 68 • BIBER
    • 69 • MUSSORGSKY
    • 70 • KREISLER
    • 71 • FRANCK C
    • 72 • ARNOLD
    • 72 • COUPERIN F
    • 72 • WEIR J
    • 73 • GLUCK
    • 74 • CORELLI
    • 74 • DELIUS
    • 75 • HOWELLS
    • 76 • GLINKA
    • 76 • PARRY H
    • 76 • SATIE
    • 77 • LASSUS
    • 78 • BRIDGE
    • 79 • PAGANINI
    • 79 • STANFORD
    • 80 • SCHUMANN C
    • 81 • BARBER
    • 81 • MACMILLAN J
    • 82 • FINZI
    • 83 • BRUCH
    • 84 • MESSIAEN
    • 84 • SUK
    • 85 • VILLA LOBOS
    • 86 • DOWLAND
    • 86 • KORNGOLD
    • 86 • PALESTRINA
    • 87 • BUXTEHUDE
    • 87 • DONIZETTI
    • 88 • ADAMS J
    • 88 • MARTINU
    • 89 • ALBENIZ
    • 89 • BORODIN
    • 89 • LIGETI
    • 89 • PIAZZOLLA
    • 90 • FALLA
    • 91 • FARRENC L
    • 91 • GABRIELI G
    • 91 • MASSENET
    • 92 • BAX
    • 92 • COWELL
    • 92 • GLASS P
    • 93 • HUMMEL
    • 93 • LULLY
    • 93 • WOLF H


    Some interesting composers were ignored totally in 2016, in the case of some including Robert Simpson, for the 2nd year in a row! Below is a sample:
    ALFANO
    ARNELL
    BADINGS
    BANCHIERI
    BOELLMANN
    BORRESEN
    BUSH A
    CARVER R
    CORIGLIANO
    CRESTON
    DIAMOND
    EINEM VON
    FAYRFAX
    FRICKER
    GALINDO B
    GERHARD
    GOETZ
    GOUVY
    GYROWETZ
    HERZOGENBERG
    HOLBROOKE
    IVANOVS
    JOACHIM
    JOLIVET
    JOSEPHS W
    KIRCHNER L
    KOKKONEN
    LACHNER F P
    LYATOSHINSKY
    MAGNARD
    MENOTTI
    MERIKANTO A
    NORDGREN P
    NORHOLM I
    OHANA
    PETRASSI
    PORTER Q (2016 was the 50th Anniversary of his death!)
    REIMANN
    RIETZ
    ROSENBERG H
    SAEVERUD
    SEARLE H
    SESSIONS
    SIMPSON R
    TCHAIKOVSKY BORIS
    TOUCHEMOULIN
    ULLMANN
    VERMEULEN
    WELLESZ
    WETZ
    WILSON T
    WOLPE
    WUORINEN

    My usual survey of complete symphonies will follow later.
    Last edited by Suffolkcoastal; 01-01-17, 18:37.

    Comment

    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37691

      #3
      An extraordinary piece of work there, SC, for which I for one am immensely grateful.

      Schoenberg even further down at 72, way down below numerous nonentities, comparatively-speaking!

      Very best wishes for 2017.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #4
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        An extraordinary piece of work there, SC, for which I for one am immensely grateful.
        ... and I, for two!

        Schoenberg even further down at 72, way down below numerous nonentities, comparatively-speaking!
        Indeed - about 65 of 'em.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12842

          #5
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          ...


          Indeed - about 65 of 'em.
          ... harsh! I only relegate some 60

          Comment

          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37691

            #6
            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... harsh! I only relegate some 60

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            • Suffolkcoastal
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3290

              #7
              Symphonies on R3 in 2016
              Continuing my focus on this genre, 2016 continued the decline of 2015 in complete broadcasts of Symphonies. F J Haydn did best and Mahler increased again, though a considerable proportion was due to overplaying of one particular symphony, the 1st, which was also the most broadcast Symphony on R3 in 2016 with 16 complete performances. I’ve also, as usual, given the split by symphony for most the composers who had 10 or more ‘complete’ symphonies broadcast, this leads to some expected & also unexpected results.
              2016
              • F J HAYDN • 101 • 1x1, 4x3, 6x6, 9x2, 10x1, 11x1, 22x5, 25x1, 26x3, 27x1, 34x2, 35x1, 38x1, 39x2, 43x2, 44x3, 47x1, 49x2, 53x1, 59x2, 60x1, 64x2, 68x2, 70x2, 73x2, 74x1, 76x1, 80x1, 81x1, 82x1, 83x1, 85x1, 86x1, 88x7, 90x3, 92x1, 93x1, 94x3, 95x3, 96x8, 97x1, 98x2, 99x3, 100x1, 101x2, 102x2, 103x3, 104x3
              • BEETHOVEN • 91 • 1x11, 2x13, 3x6, 4x14, 5x13, 6x8, 7x11, 8x10, 9x5
              • MOZART W A • 91 • k135x1, k196x1, 1x5, 4x3, 5x4, 7x1, 8x1, 13x1, 14x1, 16x1, 17x1, 21x1, 23x2, 24x2, 25x7, 26x3, 28x2, 29x5, 31x3, 32x4, 33x5, 35x10, 36x3, 38x5, 39x8, 40x5, 41x6
              • MAHLER • 48 • 1x16, 2x4, 3x3, 4x7, 5x9, 6x3, 7x2, 8x1, 9x1, 10x2
              • SIBELIUS • 47 • Kullervo x1, 1x3, 2x12, 3x5, 4x4, 5x8, 6x3, 7x11
              • MENDELSSOHN • 40 • String Symphonies x10, 1x3, 2x1, 3x8, 4x14, 5x4
              • BRAHMS • 38 • 1x5, 2x9, 3x9, 4x15
              • SCHUBERT • 38 • 1x1, 3x5, 4x5, 5x8, 6x1, 8x7, 9x11
              • DVORAK • 36 • 3x2, 5x2, 6x3, 7x6, 8x10, 9x13
              • TCHAIKOVSKY • 32 • Manfred x4, 1x5, 2x1, 3x1, 4x6, 5x7, 6x8
              • PROKOFIEV • 31 • 1x15, 3x7, 5x6, 6x1, 7x2
              • BRUCKNER • 27 • 3x3, 4x6, 5x2, 6x5, 7x5, 8x2, 9x4
              • SHOSTAKOVICH • 24 • 5x4, 6x2, 7x3, 8x2, 9x3, 10x3, 11x2, 14x1, 15x4
              • BACH CPE • 22 •
              • SCHUMANN • 22 • Zwikau x1, 1x5, 2x6, 3x6, 4x4
              • NIELSEN • 15 • 2x2, 3x2, 4x4, 5x3, 6x4
              • VAUGHAN WILLIAMS • 15 • 1x1, 2x2, 3x3, 4x3, 5x3, 6x1, 8x2
              • ABEL • 13 •
              • BERLIOZ • 13 • Fantastique x7, Harold x1, Romeo&Juliet x5
              • BOYCE • 13 •
              • M HAYDN • 12 •
              • RACHMANINOV • 11 • Youth x1, 1x2, 2x5, 3x3
              • ELGAR • 10 • 1x5, 2x5
              • STRAVINSKY • 10 • E flat x1, Psalms x5 in C x2, 3 Movts x2
              • SAINT-SAENS • 9
              • BRITTEN • 8
              • SVENDSEN • 8
              • BACH J C • 7
              • KRAUS • 7
              • WALTON • 6
              • MANTZAROS • 5
              • MARTINU • 5
              • ROMAN • 5
              • SCRIABIN • 5
              • BACH JCF • 4
              • BACH W F • 4
              • BANTOCK • 4
              • BIZET • 4
              • BORODIN • 4
              • FRANCK • 4
              • HARRIS • 4
              • HERSCHEL • 4
              • JANACEK • 4
              • JIRANEK • 4
              • MALDERE • 4
              • SALIERI • 4
              • STRAUSS R • 4
              • WEYSE • 4
              • BERIO • 3
              • CANNABICH • 3
              • DITTERSDORF • 3
              • DUTTILEUX • 3
              • HACZEWSKI • 3
              • LAJTHA • 3
              • MALISZEWSKI • 3
              • MYSLIVECEK • 3
              • PANUFNIK • 3
              • ROUSSEL • 3
              • SAINT-GEORGES • 3
              • SCHOENBERG • 3
              • SORKOCEVIC • 3
              • STAMITZ J • 3
              • TARTINI • 3
              • TIPPETT • 3
              • WEBER • 3
              • WIENIAWSKI J • 3
              • ARNOLD • 2
              • ATTERBERG • 2
              • AUERBACH • 2
              • BERWALD • 2
              • BOCCHERINI • 2
              • BRAUNFELS • 2
              • CHAUSSON • 2
              • COPLAND • 2
              • GILSON • 2
              • GOUNOD • 2
              • HARTMANN K A • 2
              • HINDEMITH • 2
              • JADASSOHN • 2
              • KLAMI • 2
              • KNUSSEN • 2
              • MARSH J • 2
              • MEDER J G • 2
              • MOZART L • 2
              • OSTRCIL • 2
              • RUBBRA • 2
              • SAMMARTINI • 2
              • SOLNITZ • 2
              • SUK • 2
              • SULLIVAN • 2
              • TANAYEV • 2
              • USTVOLSKAYA • 2
              • ZEMLINSKY • 2
              • ALBINONI • 1
              • ALWYN • 1
              • ANTHEIL • 1
              • BEACH • 1
              • BENNETT R ROD • 1
              • BENTZON • 1
              • BLISS • 1
              • BRESCIANELLO • 1
              • BRIAN • 1
              • BRUCH • 1
              • BRUN F • 1
              • CASELLA • 1
              • CHAVEZ • 1
              • COOKE A • 1
              • DAMASE • 1
              • DAVIES • 1
              • DEBUSSY • 1
              • EBERL • 1
              • EDWARDS R • 1
              • EISLER • 1
              • FARRENC • 1
              • FODOR • 1
              • FOERSTER J F • 1
              • FOSS • 1
              • GLAZUNOV • 1
              • GOSSEC • 1
              • GOTTSCHALK • 1
              • GRIEG • 1
              • HAMILTON I • 1
              • HANSON • 1
              • HENZE • 1
              • HONEGGER • 1
              • HOVHANESS • 1
              • IVES • 1
              • JACKSON G • 1
              • KALLINIKOV • 1
              • KOECHLIN • 1
              • KORNGOLD • 1
              • LANDOWSKI • 1
              • LARCHER • 1
              • LUTOSLAWSKI • 1
              • MACMILLAN • 1
              • MANFREDINI • 1
              • MATHIAS • 1
              • MATTHEWS D • 1
              • MCEWEN • 1
              • MEHUL • 1
              • MIASKOVSKY • 1
              • MIELCK • 1
              • MOERAN • 1
              • MOYZES • 1
              • NORMAN L • 1
              • NOSKOWSKI • 1
              • PAPANDOPOLU • 1
              • PARRY • 1
              • PICKARD • 1
              • PISTON • 1
              • PONS J • 1
              • POULENC • 1
              • PRICE F • 1
              • REICHA • 1
              • RICHTER F • 1
              • RONTGEN • 1
              • SCARLATTI D • 1
              • SCHMIDT • 1
              • SCHUMAN • 1
              • SCIGALSKI • 1
              • STAMITZ K • 1
              • STEVENS B G • 1
              • STILL W G • 1
              • SUSSMAYR • 1
              • SZYMANOWSKI • 1
              • VILLA LOBOS • 1
              • VINE C • 1
              • VOGLER • 1
              • WANSKI • 1
              • WATKINS H • 1
              • WEINBERG M • 1
              • WILLAN H • 1
              • YIU R • 1

              Comment

              • antongould
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8785

                #8
                Thanks as always suffy - a marvellous and endlessly enlightening piece of work ........

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                • EdgeleyRob
                  Guest
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12180

                  #9
                  Thanks sc,marvellous piece of work albeit depressing reading for fans of lesser known British,Russian and American music.

                  Happy new year

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                  • Lat-Literal
                    Guest
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    #10
                    Extraordinary work for which many thanks.

                    Good news on Villa-Lobos. Bad news on Ginastera.

                    Re "The continued focus on women composers this year again produced a very mixed bag" I would be interested to have figures for the following - Beach, Boulanger, Chaminade, Coulthard, Demessieux, Derbyshire, Gipps, Glanville-Hicks, Hildegard, Holmes, Lutyens, E, Mucha, Musgrave, Oliveiros, Oram, Pade, Panufnik, R, Radigue, Tailleferre, Wallen, Williams, G, Williams, M L, Zwilich - or at least some of these people. I am assuming that the likes of Archer, Hopekirk, Pentland, Spain-Dunk and Trimble will not be there at all.

                    Also:

                    Is it generally considered that Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelssohn are two of the three outstanding women composers or are they favoured because their surnames feel safe?
                    Last edited by Lat-Literal; 02-01-17, 22:38.

                    Comment

                    • Suffolkcoastal
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3290

                      #11
                      Of course Lat-Literal, below for you:

                      Beach 40, L Boulanger 27, N Boulanger 9, Chaminade 39, Coulthard 29, Demessieux 1, Derbyshire 0, Gipps 4, Glanville-Hicks 2, Hildegard 40, Augusta Holmes 1, Lutyens 5, Mucha 0, Musgrave 10, Oliveiros 9, Oram 1, Pade 0, R Panufnik 22, Radigue 0, Tailleferre 24, Wallen 8, G Williams 24, Zwilich 2.

                      Of the others you mention - Spain-Dunk 1, Trimble 6.

                      Comment

                      • Lat-Literal
                        Guest
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 6983

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                        Of course Lat-Literal, below for you:

                        Beach 40, L Boulanger 27, N Boulanger 9, Chaminade 39, Coulthard 29, Demessieux 1, Derbyshire 0, Gipps 4, Glanville-Hicks 2, Hildegard 40, Augusta Holmes 1, Lutyens 5, Mucha 0, Musgrave 10, Oliveiros 9, Oram 1, Pade 0, R Panufnik 22, Radigue 0, Tailleferre 24, Wallen 8, G Williams 24, Zwilich 2.

                        Of the others you mention - Spain-Dunk 1, Trimble 6.
                        Ah yes, thank you - and for N Boulanger as well as L Boulanger who I had in mind. Apart from the fact that they are low, these figures are not terribly surprising vis a vis which ones have higher figures in the list and which ones lower. Perhaps the figure for Panufnik is higher than I thought it would be. Are all those Roxanna? Some are getting a rough deal. Now I think of it, other key women composers - at least in my humble opinion - are Alberga, Bacewicz, Bonis, Clarke, Ellicott, Gubaidulina, Powell Perry, Smith and Tower. I could ask about black composers but that would not be quite as easy a list for me to put together quickly. On the Brits, I note that Lambert is missing. My guess is 40-45. Oh goodness, I've just realised that poor old Geo. Lloyd isn't there either - I think we should have that figure because it really is ridiculous how history keeps repeating in that way.
                        Last edited by Lat-Literal; 02-01-17, 23:59.

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                        • Suffolkcoastal
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          Yes they are all Roxanna, her father had 26 pieces/chunks broadcast.

                          For the others you've mentioned: - Alberga 1, Bacewicz 20, Bonis 0, R Clarke 29, Ellicott 0, Gubaidulina 11, Perry 0, A M Smith 2, Tower 2.

                          Constant Lambert 7 - average 2009-15 = 5, George Lloyd 5 - average 2009-15 = 7

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                          • Lat-Literal
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                            • Aug 2015
                            • 6983

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                            Yes they are all Roxanna, her father had 26 pieces/chunks broadcast.

                            For the others you've mentioned: - Alberga 1, Bacewicz 20, Bonis 0, R Clarke 29, Ellicott 0, Gubaidulina 11, Perry 0, A M Smith 2, Tower 2.

                            Constant Lambert 7 - average 2009-15 = 5, George Lloyd 5 - average 2009-15 = 7
                            Thank you very much.

                            There might be one further list if you can cope with it but not a fourth.

                            Again, the women's totals are not too surprising.

                            Actually, the Smyth I had in mind was Ethel but I used the wrong spelling.

                            The figures for Lambert and especially Lloyd are shocking.

                            Gruesome even.

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                            • Suffolkcoastal
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #15
                              As many as you like its quite straightforward to supply the figures. The figure for Ethel Smyth was 24. There are British composers whose R3 figures are comparable or even worse than Lambert & G Lloyd.

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