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  • doversoul1
    Ex Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 7132

    Which came first?

    ... or was it a coincidence (the first few bars)?

    GEORG PHILIPP TELEMANN [1681-1767]from TAFELMUSIK , Production IIConcerto for three violins, strings and basso continuo in F major (TWV 53:F1) I. Allegro - 0...

    George Frideric Handel - The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba from the oratorio Solomon (1749)Georg Friedrich Händel


    The two composers (Telemann and Handel) were said to have been good friends. Did they share the idea? Or is it me who can’t tell the difference?

    [ed.] or was the beginning bit a popular tune of the day like la Folia?
    Last edited by doversoul1; 07-11-16, 19:14.
  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #2
    I think that the Telemann appeared first, in his 1732 collection; Handel wrote Solomon in 1748.

    The publication of Telemann's Tafelmusik was very popular - before it appeared, the list of international composers who "pre-ordered" the collection included "Mr Haendel, Doctor of Music, England".
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • doversoul1
      Ex Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 7132

      #3
      Thank you for the answer. It is good to know that it was that way round.

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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        #4
        Handel "borrowed" large amounts of material from the Tafelmusik, not just this!

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          Handel "borrowed" large amounts of material from the Tafelmusik, not just this!
          Yes - "a sort of Musical Andrew Lloyd Webber".
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Richard Barrett
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            • Jan 2016
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            #6
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Yes - "a sort of Musical Andrew Lloyd Webber".


            Yes and though Telemann seems to have been his favourite, he purloined material from many other composers, including of course himself.

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            • Beef Oven!
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              • Sep 2013
              • 18147

              #7
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              Yes - "a sort of Musical Andrew Lloyd Webber".
              Handle wasn't a toot that composed a lot.

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              • Richard Barrett
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                • Jan 2016
                • 6259

                #8
                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                a toot that composed a lot
                Spitting Image if I'm not mistaken.

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                • Beef Oven!
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                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                  Spitting Image if I'm not mistaken.
                  Indeed, you’re not. But they used a rude word.

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                  • MickyD
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4778

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Yes - "a sort of Musical Andrew Lloyd Webber".
                    That reminds me of that old chestnut:

                    "Have you heard Andrew Lloyd Webber's latest musical?"
                    "Probably."

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