"Der Rosenkavalier"

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    #16
    Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
    Does the sadface denote your displeasure at the lack of castrati for modern performances?
    No, just the fact that they had them at all.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
      • 20570

      #17
      Originally posted by Flay View Post
      Don't forget to book your tickets for Opera North's production this autumn:

      https://www.operanorth.co.uk/product...-rosenkavalier
      I'm delighted that they are actually going to stage it.

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      • Tetrachord
        Full Member
        • Apr 2016
        • 267

        #18
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        I thought they were replacing castrati in many instances.
        With counter-tenors? You bet. I think the tendency to use Altos is possibly a reflection of the shortage of excellent counter-tenors who can really act!!

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        • Richard Tarleton

          #19
          Originally posted by Tetrachord View Post
          With counter-tenors? You bet. I think the tendency to use Altos is possibly a reflection of the shortage of excellent counter-tenors who can really act!!
          The great Susan Graham (Octavian the first time I saw Rosenkavalier), has a funny encore song about how annoying it is for mezzos to keep finding their best parts taken by counter-tenors - the name David Daniels is mentioned.

          LMP - at least the composer in Capricchio is a tenor, and in with a chance

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          • gradus
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5612

            #20
            Such a pity that Strauss never extracted the Italian tenor's aria from Act 1 Rosenkavalier as a separate concert piece, well worth hearing in itself.
            Here's Helge Rosvaenge, an old recording but sung wonderfully well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXbqpJzW3yE

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            • doversoul1
              Ex Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 7132

              #21
              Originally posted by Tetrachord View Post
              With counter-tenors? You bet. I think the tendency to use Altos is possibly a reflection of the shortage of excellent counter-tenors who can really act!!
              James Bowman, Andreas Scholl, David Daniels to begin with, as for younger generation; Bejun Mehta, Lawrence Zazzo, Iestyn Davies, Mathew White, Max Emanuel Cencic, and Philip Jaroussky to name but a few….?

              The late Alan Curtis and Christopher Hogwood both seemed to have preferred mezzo-soprano ('ladies' they called them) for the roles originally sung by castrati but that was the matter of the voice rather than of acting abilities.

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              • Flosshilde
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                • Nov 2010
                • 7988

                #22
                Originally posted by doversoul View Post
                James Bowman, Andreas Scholl, David Daniels to begin with, as for younger generation;
                Oh dear - I tend to think of David Daniels as being 'the younger generation'

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                • doversoul1
                  Ex Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 7132

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                  Oh dear - I tend to think of David Daniels as being 'the younger generation'
                  …the next generation? (I know the feeling….)

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                  • Richard Tarleton

                    #24
                    James Bowman is 74 - a lot older than the rest. I first saw him in the late 60s. A terrific actor. I was impressed with A Scholl's acting in a concert performance of Saul - didn't just stand there and sing.

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                    • Tetrachord
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                      • Apr 2016
                      • 267

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      James Bowman is 74 - a lot older than the rest. I first saw him in the late 60s. A terrific actor. I was impressed with A Scholl's acting in a concert performance of Saul - didn't just stand there and sing.
                      What a voice Scholl has!!! I wouldn't care if he'd just "stand there and sing"!!! I was in Arhuss in Denmark last year and happened to go into a very old cathedral there. They had a replica organ of the type Bach would have used and also there were notices all over the church about the upcoming appearance (for Easter) of Andreas Scholl. I had a conversation with a woman in the cathedral who was a tourist guide and when I commented on how fortunate for audiences to be having that great counter-tenor she looked blankly at me and said, "I've never heard of him"!!!

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                      • BBMmk2
                        Late Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20908

                        #26
                        Andreas Scholl, is one of my favourites!! :)
                        Don’t cry for me
                        I go where music was born

                        J S Bach 1685-1750

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                        • Keraulophone
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1946

                          #27
                          Originally posted by gradus View Post
                          the Italian tenor's aria ... an old recording but sung wonderfully well:
                          Rosvaenge ideally cast; here's another gem:

                          Richard Strauss - Der RosenkavalierDi rigori armato il senoItalian Singer- Fritz WunderlichBaron Ochs- Kurt BöhmeOrchestra of the Teatro Colon di Buenos Aire...


                          Italian Singer- Fritz Wunderlich
                          Baron Ochs- Kurt Böhme
                          Orchestra of the Teatro Colon di Buenos Aires / Heinz Wallberg

                          Buenos Aires, 8 October 1961

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                          • gradus
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5612

                            #28
                            A gem and how! What singing, many thanks for reminding me and brightening the morning.

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                            • Keraulophone
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1946

                              #29


                              This morning is especially bright, being the day after the term before.

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                              • Tetrachord
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 267

                                #30
                                Can you people recommend the best "Rosenkavalier" conducted by Carlos Kleiber please, as there seem to be a few available from what I can see (through Amazon).

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