Pieces Not Fit for Purpose

[ahinton]

I never knew that Richard and Sir Humphrey Appleby had so much in common

His talents are many and varied, as demonstrated by this further evidence from him (from the series Yes, Barrettster).

[Richard Barrett]

Sorry … I just couldn't help myself. It's brilliant …. it was like reading legal jargon …

In the sage words of Isaac Newton, "if I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

[jean]

And I'm sorry if I offend Richard but gee whiz, I started laughing out loud when reading this …

You were meant to!

[NatBalance]

In the sage words of Isaac Newton, "if I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

And long may you stand on them. I love the bit at the end "… and after all who am I to disagree!". The icing on the cake.

You were meant to!

Oh that's alright then.

[Nick Armstrong]

And I'm sorry if I offend Richard but gee whiz, I started laughing out loud when reading this

It was a brilliant bit of pastiche!

[Flosshilde]

It was a brilliant bit of pastiche!

Shouldn't that be parody?

[Flosshilde]

To return to the topic (more or less), I think that BB's Sea inteludes are fit for all their purposes.

[Nick Armstrong]

Shouldn't that be parody?

Hmmm... I had to remind myself of the difference. This is about right, I think: "Unlike parody, pastiche celebrates, rather than mocks, the work it imitates". And I did intend to reflect Mr Barrett's generosity of spirit with his tribute paragraph - so I'll stick with 'pastiche' unless he indicates otherwise!

To return to the topic (more or less), I think that BB's Sea inteludes are fit for all their purposes.

I wouldn't disagree with that

[NatBalance]

To return to the topic (more or less), I think that BB's Sea inteludes are fit for all their purposes.

Most definitely.

Still can't think of another example of what I mean but I can think of one that is sort of what I mean but in a different way. The piece Colin Matthews composed for Pluto as an addition to Holst's Planets suite.

I think that did not fit the purpose in that it did not match Holst's style. A hell of a job to follow Neptune, in fact I would state an impossible job, therefore I certainly admire his attempt but I would have thought, being as was also an authority on Holst, that he would have been able to immitate his style better. It sounds more like, well, Scriabin perhaps. There are tinges of Holst like the use of the celesta, but not used like Holst would use it. A very good use of the wordless choir at the end and that does remind me of Holst but overall I think it's a great piece on its own but not a contender for Pluto as an addition to Holst's Planets suite.

[MrGongGong]

Most definitely.

Still can't think of another example of what I mean but I can think of one that is sort of what I mean but in a different way. The piece Colin Matthews composed for Pluto as an addition to Holst's Planets suite.

I think that did not fit the purpose in that it did not match Holst's style. A hell of a job to follow Neptune, in fact I would state an impossible job, therefore I certainly admire his attempt but I would have thought, being as was also an authority on Holst, that he would have been able to immitate his style better. It sounds more like, well, Scriabin perhaps. There are tinges of Holst like the use of the celesta, but not used like Holst would use it. A very good use of the wordless choir at the end and that does remind me of Holst but overall I think it's a great piece on its own but not a contender for Pluto as an addition to Holst's Planets suite.

Surely it doesn't fit because Pluto isn't a planet?
A few years ago I directed a project where some teenage composers co-composed Earth because that IS the planet Holst missed out.
But I really don't understand what you are getting at, you seem (again!) to want music to be something other than what it is?

When I hear :La Mer I always think of Eastbourne

"Let sounds be themselves rather than vehicles for man-made theories or expression of human sentiments." (Cage)

[Bryn]

Pluto is a dwarf planet, so a dwarf musical composition should fit the bill quite well.

[NatBalance]

Surely it doesn't fit because Pluto isn't a planet?

Not sure that is relevant. It was considered a planet at the time and Holst based his music on the astrological meanings of the planets. Don't know how the downgrading of Pluto has affected the astrological community, perhaps they still think it has an affect. Yes he did miss the Earth out. Don't know if the Earth has an astrological character.

But I really don't understand what you are getting at, you seem (again!) to want music to be something other than what it is?

I think we are on different wave lengths Gongers. Can you adjust the tuning your end? I can do bugger all my end :)

[MrGongGong]

Not sure that is relevant. It was considered a planet at the time and Holst based his music on the astrological meanings of the planets. All

So a piece of music based on a load of made up stuff is ok
but a piece of music inspired by a piece of music based on a load of made up stuff but isn't a pastiche of the piece of music based on a load of made up stuff isn't?

What porpoise?

[MrGongGong]

Pluto is a dwarf planet, so a dwarf musical composition should fit the bill quite well.

That might be good
SO why not some Hugh Davies? (thinking little springs and things)

[NatBalance]

but a piece of music inspired by a piece of music based on a load of made up stuff but isn't a pastiche of the piece of music based on a load of made up stuff isn't?

Crumbs, you don't know Richard Barrett by any chance do you?