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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18021

    Does it really take that long? ....

    I noticed that BBC2 has a programme about Beethoven's 5th tonight. The programme is 90 mins long.

    Does it really take that long to explain, or explore that symphony? Maybe - but I suspect it depends on how much detail one wants.

    John Eliot Gardiner reveals the story behind Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.


    There's this on BBC Four two hours earlier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078ssj
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30302

    #2
    Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
    I noticed that BBC2 has a programme about Beethoven's 5th tonight. The programme is 90 mins long.

    Does it really take that long to explain, or explore that symphony? Maybe - but I suspect it depends on how much detail one wants.
    And you do get 'the story behind it' whatever that entails (first performance &c?).
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
      I noticed that BBC2 has a programme about Beethoven's 5th tonight. The programme is 90 mins long.
      Does it really take that long to explain, or explore that symphony?
      Only 90 minutes? So, they're just doing the first five bars, then?

      There's this on BBC Four two hours earlier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078ssj
      - very good series that.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Stanley Stewart
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1071

        #4
        Tonight's programme, (28 May), The Secret of Beethoven's Fifth, BBC 2, 21.00-22.30hrs is, indeed, a documentary. A full performance of Sym 5 is tomorrow,(29 May, 19.00-1945hrs,
        on BBC4,Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique/John Eliot Gardiner. A further 'treat' follows on BBC 4, 19.45-20.00hrs, Mozart Uncovered -Charles Hazlewood analyses arias and duets from Mozart operas; soprano Camilla Tilling, tenor Toby Spence and baritone Andrew Shore. I've set my recorder for the lot!

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        • greenilex
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1626

          #5
          Well, I found it illuminating...but tend to agree in the end with Goethe.

          The Eighth Symphony is my favourite.

          Most people wouldn't agree, I suspect.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 20570

            #6
            Originally posted by greenilex View Post
            The Eighth Symphony is my favourite.

            Most people wouldn't agree, I suspect.
            None of us has any reason to doubt it's your favourite.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #7
              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              None of us has any reason to doubt it's your favourite.


              My favourite, too - when I'm listening to it.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #8
                Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                The Eighth Symphony is my favourite.

                Most people wouldn't agree, I suspect.
                Totally agree

                My favourite is either the 4th or 9th.

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                • Dave2002
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 18021

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Totally agree

                  My favourite is either the 4th or 9th.
                  Sir Humphrey strikes again.

                  "It is true that I agree". "I agree that most people wouldn't agree." .....

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7389

                    #10
                    A personal angle on a fact which they alluded to in that TV programme about the Fifth last night: Beethoven was a 19-year-old student when the French Revolution broke out. By coincidence, I was a 19-year-old student during the Paris student "revolution" of 1968 with an Athena poster of the great composer in Byronic pose on the wall of my student accommodation. I had added his famous comment with reference to the Missa Solemnis: Vom Herzen, möge es wieder zu Herzen gehen.

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                    • Dave2002
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18021

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Stanley Stewart View Post
                      A further 'treat' follows on BBC 4, 19.45-20.00hrs, Mozart Uncovered -Charles Hazlewood analyses arias and duets from Mozart operas; soprano Camilla Tilling, tenor Toby Spence and baritone Andrew Shore. I've set my recorder for the lot!
                      Thanks for spotting this. Recorder duly set. Plus Wallander later on.

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22127

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post


                        My favourite, too - when I'm listening to it.
                        ...and what's your favourite when you're not listening to it.

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                        • Tony Halstead
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1717

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          ...and what's your favourite when you're not listening to it.
                          Hmmm... I don't quite understand the question but I can certainly say which is my least favourite both to PLAY and to listen to: The 6th ('Pastoral').
                          In August 1987 I had the misfortune to play in three different and obviously competing 'HIPP' recordings of it :
                          AAM /Hogwood; Hanover Band/Goodman; LCP/Norrington.
                          Listed in alphabetical order of course, not 'order of preference'...
                          Last edited by Tony Halstead; 29-05-16, 20:45.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            ...and what's your favourite when you're not listening to it.
                            The one I am listening to.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12254

                              #15
                              Many years ago, Richard Osborne did an 'Interpretations on Record' broadcast on the Beethoven 5 and used about nine-tenths of the programme analysing the first 8 notes!
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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