Virtuoso Violinists at the BBC - 11.3.16

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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    #16
    Oh dear. I'm alliterating my way through the whole gamut of instruments....many not repeatable on here.....

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    • marvin
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      • Jul 2011
      • 173

      #17
      Ironically for me that this programme was fronted by a violinist, who though a lovely girl, I'm sure, doesn't quite cut the mustard as a soloist for me.
      I last heard/saw her playing the Korngold Violin concerto and a bit lifeless and scratchy it was as well. Her performances never seem to thrill, for me but I suppose she's successful at her own level whatever that might be.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26536

        #18
        Originally posted by marvin View Post
        Ironically for me that this programme was fronted by a violinist, who though a lovely girl, I'm sure, doesn't quite cut the mustard as a soloist for me.
        Agreed 100%. Very far from cutting it for me, based on a couple of experiences I have no intention of repeating.
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #19
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          Agreed 100%. Very far from cutting it for me, based on a couple of experiences I have no intention of repeating.
          Well - I'm not a fan, either; but DON isn't exactly a mustard-cutter himself, but his experience as a pianist at least enabled him to move the mustard from the kitchen onto the dining table. Ms Benedetti - apart from the demonstration of the Paganini techniques - merely brought ketchup.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • ahinton
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            • Nov 2010
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            #20
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Well - I'm not a fan, either; but DON isn't exactly a mustard-cutter himself, but his experience as a pianist at least enabled him to move the mustard from the kitchen onto the dining table. Ms Benedetti - apart from the demonstration of the Paganini techniques - merely brought ketchup.
            Somehow I suspect that there'd have been a vast range of condiments had her friend Alina fronted the programme instead...

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            • ardcarp
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              Ironically for me that this programme was fronted by a violinist, who though a lovely girl, I'm sure, doesn't quite cut the mustard as a soloist for me.
              That's a bit harsh. DON, a very capable pianist if not in the top echelon, presented the piano programme very well, I thought. NB by comparison is higher up the echelons of violinists, so my slight disappointment over the violin programme was partly to do with presentation. She could, for instance, have mentioned or even illustrated more aspects of violin technique to a 'grown-up' audience.
              Last edited by ardcarp; 13-03-16, 10:34.

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                • Sep 2011
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                #22
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                Somehow I suspect that there'd have been a vast range of condiments had her friend Alina fronted the programme instead...
                That thought had occurred to me, too.
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • marvin
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                  • Jul 2011
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                  #23
                  I'm thick perhaps but who is DON?

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                    • Sep 2011
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by marvin View Post
                    I'm thick perhaps but who is DON?
                    David Owen Norris, who presented the "Perfect Pianists at the BBC" in the "Virtuoso Violinist" slot the previous Friday.

                    Still available on i-Player, and well worth watching in its owen right, as well as showing how the "Violinists" might have been done:



                    PS: Not "thick" at all - "DON" is just Forum shorthand; anyone who's not been involved in discussions here couldn't possibly know what the initials meant.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • marvin
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                      • Jul 2011
                      • 173

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      David Owen Norris, who presented the "Perfect Pianists at the BBC" in the "Virtuoso Violinist" slot the previous Friday.

                      Still available on i-Player, and well worth watching in its owen right, as well as showing how the "Violinists" might have been done:



                      PS: Not "thick" at all - "DON" is just Forum shorthand; anyone who's not been involved in discussions here couldn't possibly know what the initials meant.
                      Yes, of course, thanks. Did see that programme but forgot who had introduced it.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26536

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        Somehow I suspect that there'd have been a vast range of condiments had her friend Alina fronted the programme instead...
                        Saucy!
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #27
                          And what about Giuliano Carmignola. I had previously only noted him as Abbado's choice with the Orchestra Mozart. However, on the basis of Friday's showing I have ordered his complete Sony recordings box:

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
                            • 6259

                            #28
                            I was listening earlier on to his Bach concertos with Concerto Köln - the canonical three plus BWV 1052 and 1056. Maybe not as impressive as his Vivaldi but excellent anyway. There's also a Haydn disc that should be worth investigating.

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                            • mikealdren
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1200

                              #29
                              Yes a very strange programme, odd choice of soloists, odd repertoire and unenlightening commentary. Compared with DON's excellent selection, this was quite perverse at times, was it her choice and script? DON had a few left field items but they were all well chosen and fully justified their inclusion.

                              Quite why we had so much Kennedy is beyond me, he's a a nice chap and a good player but surely not great and definitely not in the same league as most of the others. Would he really like to be represented by that version of the 4 seasons, wouldn't some Elgar have been a better choice.

                              Similarly, Szerying was a very fine player, I heard him several times and the unsmiling performance of the Kreisler did not do him justice. Perhaps it's personal taste but for me he wasn't a truly great player.

                              I don't really agree about the Menuhin either, it was all to technically tense for me, does the BBC not have recordings of him in his prime? Perhaps Ms Benedetti remembers that particular performance but I'd rather forget it.

                              Milstein played immaculately of course but dreadful sound quality. Which brings me on to a hobby horse, the camerawork and editing. The early examples were excellent, long steady shots to allow us to enjoy the music. By the time it reached Vengerov it had become a joke. In and out of focus, shots from all angles and usually the wrong one for the music, terrible!

                              There were some high points, Carmignola was an interesting, imaginative choice and Oistrakh was stunning in the Brahms. Sadly the Bach double was not good, two ill matched players, poor recording and very dated stylistically as was Stern's Mozart.

                              Finally as other have said, the players who were missing. We can see current players easily so I'll look back. Ida Haendel, long a BBC favourite was an amazing ommision and Heifetz was extraordinary. I would have liked to see Grumiaux and Campoli then how about a few more unusual players, Szigeti perhaps or Hubermann, Busch, Rabin, Gitlis or Francescatti. Obviously no film of Kreisler but does the Beeb have any film of Sammons?

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                              • ahinton
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                Saucy!
                                ...though not intended to be so!...

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