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  • Radio64
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    • Jan 2014
    • 962

    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    Heathen’s very good. I only discovered it fairly recently when I took out my Apple Music streaming subscription a couple of years ago, maybe. I’m guilty of pretty much turning a blind eye to his 90s and 2000 work, although to be fair, some of it is not that strong. I’m in the Ziggy-Berlin-Monsters brigade, for whom Let’s Dance was the end of the journey, more or less.
    As are many others, including the 'mass media'. Part of the reason for that is that his post Let's Dance work in the 80s was pretty sub-standard, even by Bowie's own confession. The Tin Machine project worked, but then failed again, but then from Black Tie White Noise it's definitely a return to form with a healthy amount of self re-invention.

    However, having said all that there's nothing that beats Low/Heroes IMHO.

    Happy 40th birthday to the former, by the way.
    "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
      As are many others, including the 'mass media'. Part of the reason for that is that his post Let's Dance work in the 80s was pretty sub-standard, even by Bowie's own confession. The Tin Machine project worked, but then failed again, but then from Black Tie White Noise it's definitely a return to form with a healthy amount of self re-invention.

      However, having said all that there's nothing that beats Low/Heroes IMHO.

      Happy 40th birthday to the former, by the way.
      I’d go with BTWN & Tin Machine. But as Richard says, I think I think what I think from the time - perhaps I should re-listen at some point.
      Low 40 years old? I feel old!

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      • Beef Oven!
        Ex-member
        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
        Apart from Heathen I have a lot of time for Earthling, Outside, Buddha of Suburbia, Black Tie White Noise, quite a lot of the Tin Machine stuff and of course Blackstar. I don't think any of the 80s/90s albums consists completely of duds, although I did think so at the time.

        Personal note for those who might be interested: my new piece for orchestra everything has changed/nothing has changed (title from the lyrics of the aforementioned "Sunday"), to be premiered early next month, is a memorial homage to Bowie. Originally I was intending that it should contain material from his work but ultimately that idea fell by the wayside, mainly because it felt too easy a way to do things.
        Sunday is such a great number - I don’t know why, but it really unnerves me when I listen to it.

        I’m glad that you chose not to include material from Sunday in your new piece. If you change your mind, I have a couple of Glass CDs that I use as beer mats, if it helps.

        Please make sure that any performance/recording details of your new piece do not remain obscure.

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        • Richard Barrett
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          • Jan 2016
          • 6259

          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Please make sure that any performance/recording details of your new piece do not remain obscure.
          I will. The premiere is in Stuttgart on 5 February (I already posted a link to the programme of the Eclat Festival on the Hear & Now board) and I will flag up the broadcast date as soon as I know it.

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            I will. The premiere is in Stuttgart on 5 February (I already posted a link to the programme of the Eclat Festival on the Hear & Now board) and I will flag up the broadcast date as soon as I know it.

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            • Radio64
              Full Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 962

              As a Bowie/Bargain thread tie-in, some may be interested in this bit of news just launched on the Superdeluxe site.


              Does it possibly mean that last year's expensive boxset didn't sell as well as expected??
              "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Had a late night Bowie session until 3.00am last night.

                Heathen - Outside - Black Star

                Heathen gets more into my head every time I listen to it, which is not often - missed it when it was released, only caught up with it a couple of years ago.

                Same with Outside, but first heard it only a year/18 months ago.

                Blackstar totally absorbed me. I played it through twice, back to back (haven’t done that with a rock album for years). Been playing it all morning. I suppose my enthusiasm will die down; but at the moment it is with Low and "Heroes" as my absolute favourite Bowie LPs.

                Having listened to it via streaming and CD (my friend’s) since its release, I decided to get a Hi-Res download from Qobuz, last night. So pleased I did. I can even hear the difference between it and the AppleMusic 256Kbps stream, just! (but I’m not hearing £13.39 worth of difference )

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                • Richard Barrett
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                  • Jan 2016
                  • 6259

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Had a late night Bowie session until 3.00am last night.
                  May those continue for many years... (not every night of course, that would be quite unhealthy) IMO Heathen has a few songs which are really up there with Bowie's best. I haven't for emotional reasons been able to face Blackstar for a few months.

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                  • Lat-Literal
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                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    While I am in the vicinity, I have never done Blackstar, initially because I couldn't face it and then as a consequence of being uneasy about its own potential for wallowing. Nor have I done Outside due to a lack of interest. But I did do Heathen in a big way at the time and it sits in my collection as his swansong. It was clear it was his best in well over a decade:

                    David Bowie - Heathen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMtyq84mv_U

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                    • Beef Oven!
                      Ex-member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                      May those continue for many years... (not every night of course, that would be quite unhealthy) IMO Heathen has a few songs which are really up there with Bowie's best. I haven't for emotional reasons been able to face Blackstar for a few months.
                      Yes, Heathen has some very special music on it, but I’m not familiarised yet. Funny how such music by such an artist totally passed me by.

                      Blackstar is, in all the circumstances, an extreme emotional experience - an experience all of which I’m not consciously taking in. But I’m left feeling a little strange. I also watched the videos that accompany some of the songs last night, and that’s another aspect altogether. Additionally, I can’t properly grasp that David Bowie is dead.

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                      • Lat-Literal
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                        • Aug 2015
                        • 6983

                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        Yes, Heathen has some very special music on it, but I’m not familiarised yet. Funny how such music by such an artist totally passed me by.

                        Blackstar is, in all the circumstances, an extreme emotional experience - an experience all of which I’m not consciously taking in. But I’m left feeling a little strange. I also watched the videos that accompany some of the songs last night, and that’s another aspect altogether. Additionally, I can’t properly grasp that David Bowie is dead.

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                        • Radio64
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 962

                          I too was a latecomer to Heathen which I now consider one of his best. Mind you, I never was a fan of anything before Low.

                          Speaking of Blackstar, I believe the No Plan 'left-over' tracks have just been released on vinyl.
                          "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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                          • Beef Oven!
                            Ex-member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
                            I too was a latecomer to Heathen which I now consider one of his best. Mind you, I never was a fan of anything before Low.

                            Speaking of Blackstar, I believe the No Plan 'left-over' tracks have just been released on vinyl.
                            Didn’t know about 'No Plan'. Cheers

                            Will check it out in due course (CD). Blackstar at 42 mins (shortish in this day and age) might’ve included this material.

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                            • Radio64
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                              • Jan 2014
                              • 962

                              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                              Didn’t know about 'No Plan'. Cheers

                              Will check it out in due course (CD). Blackstar at 42 mins (shortish in this day and age) might’ve included this material.
                              It was released digitally at the beginning of the year (can't remember if it was on birth or death date. There's some debate as to why they weren't included on BS although they were tracks which were part of the Lazarus musical thing, which may explain it.
                              "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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                              • alywin
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 374

                                I see some enterprising people in Beckenham have set up a David Bowie local "landmarks" tour - taking in The Three Tuns, aka Zizzi's, and the Bowie Bandstand, I presume :)

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