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  • Karafan
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 786

    The hard Szell?

    Umpteen years ago, my dormant love of classical music was reawakened by a friend's passion for music. Being a callow, whey-faced poltroon at the time he put together a tape (remember those?) of pieces that I might like, including Karajan's superb Finlandia, I recall. There was also a couple of Slavonic Dances from Georg Szell (whom my friend memorably described, in a crib sheet which accompanied the cassette, as "a shaven-headed tyrant who terrorised orchestras on both side of the Atlantic"! Well, it certainly got my attention and I was then promptly won over by the calibre of his music making with his Clevelanders, of course.)

    My point in this rambling discourse, so tortuously arrived-at, is, why has no-one written a definitive biography on this fascinating musician? Especially as the orchestral players who served under him are probably getting rather long in the tooth themselves. We had Hart's book on Reiner which filled an aching gap there, but Szell I would rather like to read about at length.

    Of course, should there have been such a book written, please point me in the right direction!

    Best wishes

    Karafan
    "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle
  • Petrushka
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12309

    #2
    I, too, bemoan the lack of a Szell biography and recall I mentioned it on the old BBC boards at one time.

    Yes, he did have this reputation of being a tyrant (anyone here played under him?) but for an unexpected different aspect of the man please do listen to his recordings of the Haydn Symphonies as recently collected in a Sony box: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Szell-Conduc...4460253&sr=1-1. They have all the wit, elegance and charm you could want.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • amateur51

      #3
      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
      I, too, bemoan the lack of a Szell biography and recall I mentioned it on the old BBC boards at one time.

      Yes, he did have this reputation of being a tyrant (anyone here played under him?) but for an unexpected different aspect of the man please do listen to his recordings of the Haydn Symphonies as recently collected in a Sony box: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Szell-Conduc...4460253&sr=1-1. They have all the wit, elegance and charm you could want.
      And what about that slow and gorgeous (to my ears) accompaniment for Schwarzkopf is Richard Strauss' Vier letzte Lieder - not with the Cleveland but rather with Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra.

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      • Mandryka

        #4
        Maybe his life wasn't terribly interesting? Not all conductors have interesting lives, by any means.

        I love John Culshaw's story about him renegotiating his contract......

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        • makropulos
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1676

          #5
          Here's one book that isn't a Szell biography as such, but has a great deal about him (and is a very good read too):
          Donald Rosenberg: The Cleveland Orchestra Story - Second To None.

          It's well worth a read for anyone interested in Szell.

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          • amateur51

            #6
            Originally posted by makropulos View Post
            Here's one book that isn't a Szell biography as such, but has a great deal about him (and is a very good read too):
            Donald Rosenberg: The Cleveland Orchestra Story - Second To None.

            It's well worth a read for anyone interested in Szell.
            Thanks a lot for this, makropulos

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            • Karafan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 786

              #7
              Yes, my thanks too Makropulos.

              Also agree with Amateur51 - Schwarzkopf and Szell hit such heights on that EMI recording - the set has simply never been bettered. Pure emotion, bottled.

              K.
              "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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              • BBMmk2
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 20908

                #8
                Oh, yes! The combination of those artists quite immeasurable. I love the way Szell did Brahms symphonies.
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #9
                  I love his Mahler 4, with Judith Raskin and the Cleveland - first bought on LP in 1972, long since replaced with CD. I've never bothered with any more versions on disc.

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                  • amateur51

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    I love his Mahler 4, with Judith Raskin and the Cleveland - first bought on LP in 1972, long since replaced with CD. I've never bothered with any more versions on disc.

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                    • Dave2002
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18035

                      #11
                      Any other conductors need a write up? I nominate Karl Boehm - because I'm curious about some seemingly off the cuff remarks about him.

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                      • aeolium
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3992

                        #12
                        Any other conductors need a write up?
                        How about Eduard van Beinum, whose recordings have always impressed me, and Erich Kleiber, who doesn't seem to get a fraction of the attention his son gets but on the basis of his recorded legacy definitely deserves a re-evaluation?

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                          How about Eduard van Beinum, whose recordings have always impressed me, and Erich Kleiber, who doesn't seem to get a fraction of the attention his son gets but on the basis of his recorded legacy definitely deserves a re-evaluation?
                          I'd nominate Gunther Herbig and Lovro von Matacic

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                          • bluestateprommer
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3019

                            #14
                            new George Szell biography just published

                            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                            I, too, bemoan the lack of a Szell biography and recall I mentioned it on the old BBC boards at one time.
                            Well, for Petrushka, Karafan and others, your wish for a George Szell biography has been granted, c/o Michael Charry, who has written such a tome called George Szell: A Life of Music. Review from Tim Page in the Wall Street Journal is here:



                            The Amazon.co.uk link is here, but it's not yet been released in the UK (read further, however):



                            On Amazon.com here in the US, this book has been released:



                            Unless you're in a super-hurry to get your hands on it, you could wait some time for some more used copies, at cheaper prices, to appear down the line. However, don't let my advice stop you if you really, really want the book .

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                            • PJPJ
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1461

                              #15
                              Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                              How about Eduard van Beinum, whose recordings have always impressed me......
                              ... and me, too. I've got his son's biography of him - it's a pity it's not been translated into English.

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