"Early Music"

[BBMmk2]

Now, it seems to me that, on these boards, not much "Early Music" gets discussed on here. So I am starting a the read for this. at the moment I have playing, at the moment, a selection of music by John Dowland. One of my favourite Lute songs, is his Come Again. I am thinking of mainly British composers but foreign ones are most welcome.

[doversoul1]

I am reposting this, as the original seems to have lost half the post.

Are these not good enough?

http://www.for3.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?62-The-Early-Music-Show

…. and this?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?14298-London-Resounding-Lunchtime-Concert-24-–-27-November

Composer of the Week?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06px0q4

Unless you mean on the Talking about Music. I think as anything about early music tend to be over-posted within a few hours on any Major Boards, I/we tend to stay on the EM Board. I am very excited to see this thread.

[ed.] How odd. It’s gone again. I give up.

[BBMmk2]

Thanks! Hmmm...........

[Roehre]

Now, it seems to me that, on these boards, not much "Early Music" gets discussed on here. So I am starting a the read for this. at the moment I have playing, at the moment, a selection of music by John Dowland. One of my favourite Lute songs, is his Come Again. I am thinking of mainly British composers but foreign ones are most welcome.

When in your opinion does "Early Music" end, BBM?

[BBMmk2]

When in your opinion does "Early Music" end, BBM?

I always say around the time of JSB's birth, 1685

[DracoM]

Was going to say......doversoul has done a valiant job in keeping us talking and listening!!

[doversoul1]

I don’t know what happened to my first post. I tried a few times but that’s all that appears. Ah well, never mind. What didn’t is nothing all that important.

I think it will be very good if this thread takes off, as talking about early music rather than specific works of early music.

(See if this will appear properly)

[Quarky]

I always say around the time of JSB's birth, 1685

I was under the impression that Vivaldi (1678-1741) is regarded as "early" - or at least "earlyish"?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06pxdzf

[Tony Halstead]

Was going to say......doversoul has done a valiant job in keeping us talking and listening!!

Although I am normally disinclined to 'compartmentalise' musical history would it be a reasonable continuation of BBM's 'starter' ( that 'Early Music' is music pre-1685) to offer the following:
Early: pre 1685
Baroque: 1685 - 1759 ( death of Handel)
Pre-classical / 'Rococo': 1750-? ( overlap?)
Classical: 1760 ( Haydn's 'Morzin' symphonies) to 1804 ( Beethoven's Eroica symphony) further extended to 1884 ( Brahms' 4th symphony)
Romantic: 1804 ( Beethoven's Eroica Symphony) to... wherever and whenever in the 21st century.
This is obviously MUCH too simplistic as it seems to 'miss out' e.g. Mozart ( Classical); Schubert ( Classical/ Romantic); Schumann ( Romantic); Bruckner ( Classical/ Romantic) and last but not least Mahler ( Romantic/ Classical).

[Bryn]

I was under the impression that Vivaldi (1678-1741) is regarded as "early" - or at least "earlyish"?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06pxdzf

The term used to imply a cut-off of around 1600, but these days the baroque seems to get bundled into the concept too. To me it's the compositions Cage wrote before Music of Changes.

[Roehre]

The term used to imply a cut-off of around 1600, but these days the baroque seems to get bundled into the concept too. To me it's the compositions Cage wrote before Music of Changes.

[doversoul1]

The term used to imply a cut-off of around 1600, ...

Wasn’t it before the term ‘early music’ came about / settled?

Incidentally, last Sunday’s Early Music Late was interesting, as it was music by three ‘transitional’ composers who were all born in 1714.

[Bryn]

Wasn’t it before the term ‘early music’ came about / settled? ...

I still have a problem thinking of the Baroque period as "Early Music".

[doversoul1]

When I think about Early Music, it means what the Early Music Show covers but when I think about early music, it’s well, Early music

[ed.]
BBM
You might be interested in Last Wednesday’s Through the Night.

3:46 AM
Morton, Robert (about 1430-about 1475)
Le souvenir de vous (rondo for 3 voices)
Ferrara Ensemble: Kathleen Dineen, Annemieke Cantor, Eric Mentzel (voices), Crawford Young (director)
3:46 AM
Morton, Robert (about 1430-about 1475)
Le souvenir de vous (rondo for 3 voices)
Ferrara Ensemble: Kathleen Dineen, Annemieke Cantor, Eric Mentzel (voices), Crawford Young (director)
4:02 AM
Buffardin, Pierre-Gabriel (c.1690-1768)
Flute Concerto in E minor
Ernst-Burghard Hilse (flute), Akademie für Alte Musik Berlin, Stephan Mai (director)
4:14 AM
Bull, John (c.1562-1628)
Why ask you? for keyboard
Colin Tilney (harpsichord)
4:49 AM
Bingen, Hildegard von (1098-1179)
Ave Generosa
Orpheus Women's Choir (Netherlands), Albert Wissink (director)
4:55 AM
Wilbye, John (1574-1638)
Draw on, sweet night for violin & viols
Ensemble Daedalus, Roberto Festa (conductor)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06p50yy

[Serial_Apologist]

I still have a problem thinking of the Baroque period as "Early Music".

Maybe it's because anything pre-Baroque was still considered "niche" even for The Third Programme until the 1960s?