The Tyranny of Pop Music

[Beef Oven!]

You can leave your sad sexual fantasies out of this matey.

[ahinton]

OK, well past people's bedtimes during which FF closes the thread, mesuspects.

[Lat-Literal]

Scruton isn't a Thatcherite.

In 1978 he applied for selection as a Conservative MP and his inquisitor, "Dame Something Something, who conformed exactly to the old image of the blue-rinse maiden aunt", as he put it in his memoir, turned him down for being too fond of Burke. In the 1990s he was successfully sued by the Pet Shop Boys for claiming falsely they didn't write their own songs. They concluded he didn't actually know what he was talking about in terms of pop music. Given his recent unsupported claim in favour of Megadeth maybe they were right?

(I am not in principle against the latter band but just question what it is he thinks they have to say)

[jean]

Or indeed this gentler very English version from our own ubiquitous cause-celeb-ers

http://www.pipedown.info/

'Pipedown' is a very worthy organisation, and does not make the mistake of equating piped with 'pop' music. Never mind how many celebrity endorsements it has - particularly since it takes up my most recent cause:


Piped marmite in the British Museum? No thanks! say visitors – and The Times

The ‘Celtic music’ piped around the Celts: Art and Identity exhibition in the British Museum has been annoying visitors. One found the music ‘excruciating'; another advised people to take earplugs. Luke Turner, editor of The Quietus, an online magazine about music, said the piped music detracted from an otherwise enjoyable experience. ‘[It] felt like a real cliché of what you’d imagine Celtic music to be… like a “Celtic Moods” CD.’ The Times devoted a leader (16 October) to it, saying that ‘if people want music in museums let them plug it into their own ears.’ This is the first time a major national newspaper has discussed piped music in a leader.

Dr Julia Farley, the exhibition’s curator, said she wanted to destroy any air of reverent silence, but she admitted the ‘Celtic music’ was a ‘bit of a marmite thing‘ i.e. you love it or loathe it. Unwittingly, she has revealed the huge misconception underlying most piped music. For while no one is ever actually forced to eat marmite when they go to a restaurant (or anywhere else), far too often we are are forced to listen to music we hate. The final effect of irritation and alienation is the exact opposite of what proponents of piped music generally claim.


(See my thread on this subject here.)


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[Lat-Literal]

'Pipedown' is a very worthy organisation, and does not make the mistake of equation piped with 'pop' music. Never mind how many celebrity endorsements it has - particularly since it takes up my most recent cause:


Piped marmite in the British Museum? No thanks! say visitors – and The Times

The ‘Celtic music’ piped around the Celts: Art and Identity exhibition in the British Museum has been annoying visitors. One found the music ‘excruciating'; another advised people to take earplugs. Luke Turner, editor of The Quietus, an online magazine about music, said the piped music detracted from an otherwise enjoyable experience. ‘[It] felt like a real cliché of what you’d imagine Celtic music to be… like a “Celtic Moods” CD.’ The Times devoted a leader (16 October) to it, saying that ‘if people want music in museums let them plug it into their own ears.’ This is the first time a major national newspaper has discussed piped music in a leader.

Dr Julia Farley, the exhibition’s curator, said she wanted to destroy any air of reverent silence, but she admitted the ‘Celtic music’ was a ‘bit of a marmite thing‘ i.e. you love it or loathe it. Unwittingly, she has revealed the huge misconception underlying most piped music. For while no one is ever actually forced to eat marmite when they go to a restaurant (or anywhere else), far too often we are are forced to listen to music we hate. The final effect of irritation and alienation is the exact opposite of what proponents of piped music generally claim.


(See my thread on this subject here.)

A bit of a marmite thing!

Actually I do think there is a bit of a marmite thing in the dining out experience. Not tending to venture far, I have experienced nearly every public house serving food within a three mile radius in the same number of years. "Let's go somewhere different for a change". So we do and it is "oh, virtually the same menu again." I think, jean, you have my support on "The Celts". Your argument wins on at least two levels. 1. Where an exhibition is ostensibly visual and it encourages thinking in depth - unlike a supermarket - sound can detract from the visual and thinking aspects. 2. If you are going to have music there, try to tailor it with the care and expertise that is applied to the exhibition itself. Weren't some forum members "here" on a recent programme - Hardy? - in which the music wasn't English but Irish or French? I hope you get a direct reply to the concerns you raised.

(Remember now - it was "Cider With Rosie" - PAB and others had good suggestions for more appropriate music)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Dr Julia Farley, the exhibition’s curator, said she wanted to destroy any air of reverent silence, [/URL]

A bit like the librarians in Filey, who deliberately speak loudly.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

- unlike a supermarket -

[Lat-Literal]

Huh?

Exhibitions are not like supermarkets.

You can put baked beans in a trolley almost in your sleep!

[teamsaint]

Huh?

Exhibitions are not like supermarkets.

You can put baked beans in a trolley almost in your sleep!

Supermarkets are much harder work. Decisions can be tricky. ( check out the choice of bottles of olive oil at any big supermarket for confirmation). exhibitions on the other hand are a doddle.

[Lat-Literal]

Supermarkets are much harder work. Decisions can be tricky. ( check out the choice of bottles of olive oil at any big supermarket for confirmation). exhibitions on the other hand are a doddle.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Huh?

Exhibitions are not like supermarkets.

You can put baked beans in a trolley almost in your sleep!

It's just as annoying, nevertheless. . . which is why I never shop at Morrison's, Asda or the Co-op. As I pointed out earlier, most supermarket are muzak-free.

Imagine being imprisoned on a Carnival Cruise where you can't escape from it. I think I'd jump overboard.

[Lat-Literal]

It's just as annoying, nevertheless. . . which is why I never shop at Morrison's, Asda or the Co-op. As I pointed out earlier, most supermarket are muzak-free.

Imagine being imprisoned on a Carnival Cruise where you can't escape from it. I think I'd jump overboard.

If I ever do a cruise, I'd select the one my married neighbours chose. It was on a cargo ship. They were the only passengers, eating with the crew up to Norway. He looked at the sky and the sea, recalling his days in the South African Navy and she took a very substantial suitcase of books. Dare I mention that it won't be too many years before every rural footpath commences with a sign that it has been sponsored by the likes of McDonalds and the worst of all nightmares we have permanent visual advertising suspended in the sky. In comparison, we have considerable freedom to manoeuvre around sound. I'm happy to bank it especially as trivial overpaid celebrities are adequately earthed at bread counters.

[P. G. Tipps]

Did you not mean to say:
Mr Scruton has no distinct air of credibility and sincerity, his views wholly imbued with media jargon and institutionalised political-correctness?

Certainly not, madam!

My words were as clear and as unambiguous as those of the admirably transparent Mr Scruton's himself and meant exactly what your official dictionary definitions should authoritatively reveal.

The straight and honest words of Mr Scruton, even if automatically condemned by the usual forum nay-sayers, cannot possibly be associated with any known form of media jargon or be considered to be fashioned by institutionalised political-correctness, which, sadly, is so insidiously prevalent among our political and social elites today.

I trust it will never again be outrageously implied by any member (however rightly valued and honoured) that my words might mean the exact opposite of what I both intended and typed. Let me make that abundantly clear for the future avoidance of any lingering misapprehensions!

Furthermore, in the course of this new day, and barring any unexpected vicissitudes, I feel confident that we might shortly receive ahinton's third-party ruling on the matter.

[P. G. Tipps]

It's just as annoying, nevertheless. . . which is why I never shop at Morrison's, Asda or the Co-op. As I pointed out earlier, most supermarket are muzak-free.

Imagine being imprisoned on a Carnival Cruise where you can't escape from it. I think I'd jump overboard.

Mind you, it could be worse. Some might be tempted to throw the captain overboard if they piped some Brahms?

[doversoul1]

Certainly not, madam!

My words were as clear and as unambiguous as those of the admirably transparent Mr Scruton's himself and meant exactly what your official dictionary definitions should authoritatively reveal.

The straight and honest words of Mr Scruton, even if automatically condemned by the usual forum nay-sayers, cannot possibly be associated with any known form of media jargon or be considered to be fashioned by institutionalised political-correctness, which, sadly, is so insidiously prevalent among our political and social elites today.

I trust it will never again be outrageously implied by any member (however rightly valued and honoured) that my words might mean the exact opposite of what I both intended and typed. Let me make that abundantly clear for the future avoidance of any lingering misapprehensions!

(PG Tripped... Sorry, I was being mean)