Haydn's keyboard trios

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

That's John Galt.

Ah! In which case; who, indeed?

[Beef Oven!]

Ah! In which case; who, indeed?

[Dave2002]

Ahem, Gault.

That was the spelling I used - but I see others have tried to second guess you! I showed the way in msg 10 - but maybe there are others!

[Dave2002]

Also spelling related, was Haydn's lady friend in London Rebecca Schroeder or Rebecca Schroeter? Wiki gives Schroeter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Schroeter but some writers have mentioned Schroeder. Is there any ambiguity? Is wikipedia correct?

[gurnemanz]

Also spelling related, was Haydn's lady friend in London Rebecca Schroeder or Rebecca Schroeter? Wiki gives Schroeter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Schroeter but some writers have mentioned Schroeder. Is there any ambiguity? Is wikipedia correct?

I don't know about Schroeder but I notice that Wiki also uses another variant when referring to her deceased husband as "the famous pianist Schröter". They are quoting the Albert Christoph Dies biography of Haydn and have presumably taken the spelling he used.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Also spelling related, was Haydn's lady friend in London Rebecca Schroeder or Rebecca Schroeter? Wiki gives Schroeter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Schroeter but some writers have mentioned Schroeder. Is there any ambiguity? Is wikipedia correct?

Rosemary Hughes (1950) and Larsen (New Grove 1980/1982) both say Schroeter.

In both volumes I can't see any umlauts at all on names in the index, but diacritics are present on Hungarian names like Esterhazy/ Eszterhaza. So presumably umlauts would have been used on German names that needed them(?).

EDIT Also relevant is that Rebecca Schroeter was Scottish by birth. She met and married Johann Schroeter in London and lived with him there till he died. So very likely she always spelt her name Schroeter, whatever he may have done.

[gurnemanz]

Rosemary Hughes (1950) and Larsen (New Grove 1980/1982) both say Schroeter.

....strange that imslp lists him in the first instance as Schröter when this seems to be the least common spelling.

[David-G]

When Haydn first visited London in 1791 he lived at 18 Great Pulteney Street, where a blue plaque for him was unveiled earlier this year. Along the street at no. 33 were the showrooms and factory of Broadwood pianos. It seems likely that Haydn would have made early acquaintance with Broadwoods, and it is known that he was deeply impressed by the increased power and expressivity that Broadwood instruments offered compared with their Viennese counterparts. This accounts for the grander style of his final three sonatas written in 1794, on his second London visit.

[ahinton]

When Haydn first visited London in 1791 he lived at 18 Great Pulteney Street, where a blue plaque for him was unveiled earlier this year. Along the street at no. 33 were the showrooms and factory of Broadwood pianos. It seems likely that Haydn would have made early acquaintance with Broadwoods, and it is known that he was deeply impressed by the increased power and expressivity that Broadwood instruments offered compared with their Viennese counterparts. This accounts for the grander style of his final three sonatas written in 1794, on his second London visit.

Indeed - and so what's the betting that he might have loved the Bösendorfer Imperial had he survived long enough to encounter one? - and perhaps also to have his piano trios played on one with the lid fully up by an ensemble whose pianist was well capable of getting the balance just right, as I recently heard happen when the Leonore Trio played a programme of Beethoven and (David) Matthews at London's King's Place (albeit using a Steinway D).

[Bryn]

Indeed - and so what's the betting that he might have loved the Bösendorfer Imperial had he survived long enough to encouter one? - and perhaps also to have his piano trios played on one with the lid fully up by an ensemble whose pianist was well capable of getting the balance just right, as I recently heard happen when the Leonore Trio played a programme of Beethoven and (David) Matthews at London's King's Place (albeit using a Stenway D).

I'll let you off the Stenway[sic], but not the gross anachronism. Haydn had the example of the early Broadwood. He did not have that of a Bösendorfer Imperial, or indeed any iron-framed piano.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'll let you off the Stenway[sic], but not the gross anachronism. Haydn had the example of the early Broadwood. He did not have that of a Bösendorfer Imperial, or indeed any iron-framed piano.

And if he had, what's the betting that he would have followed his own precedents and written a different type of Music suited to it (just as he altered his writing for the Broadwood)?

[Bryn]

And if he had, what's the betting that he would have followed his own precedents and written a different type of Music suited to it (just as he altered his writing for the Broadwood)?

Quite!

[David-G]

And if he had, what's the betting that he would have followed his own precedents and written a different type of Music suited to it (just as he altered his writing for the Broadwood)?

Quite!

[ahinton]

I'll let you off the Stenway[sic], but not the gross anachronism. Haydn had the example of the early Broadwood. He did not have that of a Bösendorfer Imperial, or indeed any iron-framed piano.

Apologies for the unforgivable typo (now corrected) - but I did use the word "might" which your post appears possibly to have overlooked (and see fhg's post above).

[LeMartinPecheur]

....strange that imslp lists him in the first instance as Schröter when this seems to be the least common spelling.

But that's my point. I'm sure he was Schröter, at least to start with. But I'm not sure she ever was.