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  • CallMePaul
    Full Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 791

    #91
    Originally posted by CallMePaul View Post
    Also try Brigitte Fassbaender with Jean-Yves Thibaudet, if still available. A grewat lieder singer who retired too early (to become an opera manager in Innsbruck).
    This was mwant to be a Wolf recommendation. I clicked the wrong reply button and the quote was missed off! apologies.

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      #92
      Originally posted by CallMePaul View Post
      ...................A grewat lieder singer who retired too early.....
      Hi Paul (can I call you Paul?)

      I'm focussing mainly on German lieder at present, but maybe next

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      • rauschwerk
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1481

        #93
        Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
        For a starter kit, rauschwerk, I wouldn't want to be without EMI's 'Hugo Wolf: The Anniversary Edition', which includes the Italian and Spanish Lieder Books, Goethe, Eichendorff, Morike and Michelangelo songs and more. Eight CDs with Schwarzkopf, DFD, Bar, Von Otter, Bostridge and Thomas Allen, with accompanists Deutsch, Moore, Pappano and Parsons.

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolf-150th-A...lf+anniversary
        Thanks, that looks like a wonderful bargain, especially as Presto have it even cheaper than Amazon at present. What a roster of artists!

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25209

          #94
          Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
          Thanks, that looks like a wonderful bargain, especially as Presto have it even cheaper than Amazon at present. What a roster of artists!
          I had a look at this recently. looks great, but there are some interesting comments that at least one CD only plays on computer.

          perhaps somebody who has the set can clarify?
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

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          • rauschwerk
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            • Nov 2010
            • 1481

            #95
            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
            I had a look at this recently. looks great, but there are some interesting comments that at least one CD only plays on computer.

            perhaps somebody who has the set can clarify?
            Perhaps they didn't twig that one CD is actually a CD-ROM with texts and translations?

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #96
              Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
              Perhaps they didn't twig that one CD is actually a CD-ROM with texts and translations?
              - oh, I so wish! - but the reviewer in question does say that s/he has played the disc on their PC, and the sole reply to the review talks about ripping the disc and copying it to CD, so presumably they had the same problem. (They both identify "Disc 1" as the rogue CD.)
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • verismissimo
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                • Nov 2010
                • 2957

                #97
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                - oh, I so wish! - but the reviewer in question does say that s/he has played the disc on their PC, and the sole reply to the review talks about ripping the disc and copying it to CD, so presumably they had the same problem. (They both identify "Disc 1" as the rogue CD.)
                The 'bonus' is a CD-ROM with full text and translations, which I've never attempted to 'play' as I have them all elsewhere.

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                • doversoul1
                  Ex Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 7132

                  #98
                  Made for this thread.

                  Lunchtime Concert next Monday 26th

                  Wigmore Hall Mondays - Elizabeth Watts and Julius Drake in Liszt, Debussy and Hahn

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7387

                    #99
                    Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
                    For a starter kit, rauschwerk, I wouldn't want to be without EMI's 'Hugo Wolf: The Anniversary Edition', which includes the Italian and Spanish Lieder Books, Goethe, Eichendorff, Morike and Michelangelo songs and more. Eight CDs with Schwarzkopf, DFD, Bar, Von Otter, Bostridge and Thomas Allen, with accompanists Deutsch, Moore, Pappano and Parsons.

                    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wolf-150th-A...lf+anniversary
                    It's great value. Another very good Wolf box (along with the Wolf Society set mentioned above) is the 6CD Fischer-Dieskau/Barenboim set

                    PS While on about Wolf: all the songs he orchestrated himself (24) fit nicely onto one CD. An excellent new recording with Juliane Banse, Dietrich Henschel and Kent Nagano conducting is on offer at Presto.
                    Last edited by gurnemanz; 19-10-15, 16:48. Reason: PS

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                    • Pianophile
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 53

                      Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                      Examples please!

                      A favourite English song of mine which I should have included in my last post is King David by Howells. The piano part is challenging, since one has to represent the sounds of a harp with both hands, whilst the right hand adds snippets of birdsong (needing a different tone-colour). It almost needs three hands, in fact. But it must sound effortless! I think I almost did justice to it last time I played it.

                      It's a beautiful song which I love. There must be recordings but I can't recommend one because I've never heard one.
                      There's a gorgeous recording by Janet Baker and Martin Isepp..

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7387

                        Originally posted by Pianophile View Post
                        There's a gorgeous recording by Janet Baker and Martin Isepp..

                        http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-En.../dp/B000K9L3HK
                        Her first note in Süßer Freund is exquisite.

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Originally posted by doversoul View Post
                          Made for this thread.

                          Lunchtime Concert next Monday 26th

                          Wigmore Hall Mondays - Elizabeth Watts and Julius Drake in Liszt, Debussy and Hahn
                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kb0f0
                          Perfect - many thanks for making us aware of this, doversoul

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                          • Lat-Literal
                            Guest
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 6983

                            Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                            French mélodie is something I listen to and study a great deal of the time and (imho) indispensable are:

                            Berlioz Les nuits d'été (Régine Crespin); La mort d'Ophélie (April Cantelo)
                            Gounod Ce que je suis sans toi (Souzay for preference) - I'm not a great fan of Gounod's songs, but that one is a gem
                            Fauré - so many to choose from! Après un rêve; the Cinq mélodies de Venise on poems by Verlaine; Nell, Les roses d'Ispahan, Les berceaux, Automne; and - if you like Fauré's later style - the cycle L'horizon chimérique (Charles Panzera)
                            Chausson - Le colibri, Sérénade italienne, Le temps des lilas
                            Duparc - any! But Phidylé is my favourite.
                            Chabrier - not really a mélodie, but his Ode à la musique is adorable!
                            Debussy - currently looking at the Cinq poèmes de Baudelaire; the Verlaine Ariettes oubliées and Fêtes galantes are wonderful too
                            Ravel - Shéhérazade, as mentioned above (Crespin again); Danco in the Trois poèmes de Mallarmé; Baker in the those too and also the Chansons madécasses.
                            Satie - the café-concert songs such as La Diva de l'Empire and Je te veux. There used to be a wonderful LP of Meriel and Peter Dickinson doing these.
                            Roussel - quirky! Sarabande is my favourite Roussel song, plus the Deux poèmes chinois Op 35 (Sarah Walker or Clare Croiza)
                            Poulenc - anything! 'C' is heart-breaking (Bernac and Poulenc), Hotel is gorgeous, Tel jour, tel nuit a fabulous cycle. Oh, and Le bestiaire (Jean-Christophe Benoit) is hilarious!

                            And then there's Messiaen and Dutilleux, including an orchestral song cycle - Le temps l'horloge - written as recently as 2008 for Renée Fleming

                            There's just SO much to discover!
                            This is a list that will definitely be helpful to me in terms of bearings.

                            I have posted two or three but would like to hear more.

                            Also, we mustn't (ever) forget Spain:

                            Fernando J. Obradors - Del Cabello Mas Sutil -

                            The Senior Recital of Melissa L. Flummerfelt, sopranowith Lois Richter, PianoApril 8, 2011 This Recital was presented as Partial Fulfillment of the Requireme...


                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE1vSUvLkc
                            Last edited by Lat-Literal; 20-10-15, 16:17.

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                            • gradus
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5607

                              Viva Espana: Teresa Berganza accompanied by Felix Lavilla in one of the most beautiful of the Maja Dolorosa songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMP4z-W1WU

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                              • Lat-Literal
                                Guest
                                • Aug 2015
                                • 6983

                                Originally posted by gradus View Post
                                Viva Espana: Teresa Berganza accompanied by Felix Lavilla in one of the most beautiful of the Maja Dolorosa songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMP4z-W1WU
                                Thank you gradus.

                                I like that very much.

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