Meanwhile at the SWR, where after some internal hand-wringing they are currently planning to go ahead with FXR’s impending appointment, there is some dissonance behind the scenes as some of the musicians seem to want to have it both ways…
F-X Roth in Trouble
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
Equally importantly I think, the issue of abuse comes down to one of trust. We have to work out what it is that engenders unquestioning trust in many people. Someone on a TV chat show this morning - an intelligent woman by all accounts - was talking bout how risible she found Trump to be yet while at the same time finding something mesmerising (her word) about him. It's similar to the "telephone voice" some firms use to persuade people to buy their product. My own theory is that this form of persuasiveness could well be hard-wired into the infant in the stage when when it is still physically helpless and at the mercy of more powerful grown-ups, (by definition), and that through emotional and other pressures the vital part of the process of maturation which is all about discrimination can become neutralised, thereby prolonging an individual's vulnerability into adulthood and even possibly a lifetime of psychological servitude.
I first encountered elements of this when I was at secondary school, and have done so ever since, in various settings. Two particularly difficult occasions were during my time as a school governor, which between them covered the whole range of he said/she said; how could they be so stupid; different outcomes from what were superficially very similar offences; the difficulties caused when one's experience of a person as an individual is challenged by evidence.
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Originally posted by oliver sudden View PostMeanwhile at the SWR, where after some internal hand-wringing they are currently planning to go ahead with FXR’s impending appointment, there is some dissonance behind the scenes as some of the musicians seem to want to have it both ways…
https://www.diapasonmag.fr/a-la-une/...oth-49686.html
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Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
Is there an element of "well they were only text messages" I wonder, ie not bad enough to warrant major action such as withdrawing an appointment? That wouldn't be admitted to, but the judgement of the implications of such offences can tend to subjective rather than objective.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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A previous Diapason article on the subject goes into quite a bit of detail concerning the SWR’s internal deliberations…
Le chef français doit prendre la direction de l’orchestre allemand en 2025, et, après enquête, la SWR a décidé de maintenir cette future collaboration.
They have clearly given some weight to FXR’s apologies and to his assurances for the future. I can’t really imagine that there could be a one-size-fits-all approach to this kind of situation. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that his reported behaviour is acceptable!
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostHow are they proposing to make sure it does not happen at SWR ? Refuse to let him have any of the orchestra's mobile numbers or e-mails ?
I'm at a loss to understand how certain people manage to get away with very bad behaviour while others lose their jobs and freedom for a lot less. Most of us have seen this in our own working lives at one time or another."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by oliver sudden View PostMeanwhile at the SWR, where after some internal hand-wringing they are currently planning to go ahead with FXR’s impending appointment, there is some dissonance behind the scenes as some of the musicians seem to want to have it both ways…
https://www.diapasonmag.fr/a-la-une/...oth-49686.html
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Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
I'm at a loss to understand how certain people manage to get away with very bad behaviour while others lose their jobs and freedom for a lot less. Most of us have seen this in our own working lives at one time or another.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
I am taking some conversational French online course preparing for my French trip next month but this is beyong my current level of scholarship. Can you give me a brief summary?
SWR have conducted an internal inquiry and (if I’ve read it right ) received no complaints. But following the revelations in Canard Enchaine they are putting in place preventive measures.
key final paragraph from Google translate
But this decision is not unanimous and some members of the orchestra wanted to make it known: according to BR Klassik, forty-eight musicians (out of the orchestra's approximately one hundred and forty instrumentalists) sent a letter to SWR's Director of Culture Programs, Anke Mai (to which some media had access) in which they explained that they accept the future collaboration with François-Xavier Roth, but did not support it. "We believe that this decision harms the image, credibility and sovereignty of the orchestra," say the signatories who require the SWR to publish a statement specifying that the orchestra was not at the origin of the decision. The request was reportedly rejected by Anke Mai, who recalls that the representatives of the orchestra had explicitly requested to be kept away from the situation. According to the Badische Zeitung media, new exchanges between the members of the orchestra and the Radio should take place at the beginning of the school year.*
by “rentrée “ I think they mean new season rather than school year which is the usual meaning in France…
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostOh dear very unpleasant behaviour alleged and apparently with corroborating records and photos according to the Violin Channel report . I imagine record companies are now likely, considering his ubiquity, to have lots of recordings in the can they are going to struggle to sell even if they release them at all.
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostHow are they proposing to make sure it does not happen at SWR ? Refuse to let him have any of the orchestra's mobile numbers or e-mails ?
And I do indeed imagine that any requests for private contact details from FXR to the administration would set all sorts of alarm bells ringing!
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Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
Well, if it does happen again then it really will be the end of his career. The fact remains that if this matter had been dealt with in a court of law (with the assumption that criminal activity has occurred) then justice would have followed and his career would have ended anyway.
I'm at a loss to understand how certain people manage to get away with very bad behaviour while others lose their jobs and freedom for a lot less. Most of us have seen this in our own working lives at one time or another."I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
48 out of 140 musicians in the SWR have objected to his rehire .
SWR have conducted an internal inquiry and (if I’ve read it right ) received no complaints. But following the revelations in Canard Enchaine they are putting in place preventive measures.
key final paragraph from Google translate
But this decision is not unanimous and some members of the orchestra wanted to make it known: according to BR Klassik, forty-eight musicians (out of the orchestra's approximately one hundred and forty instrumentalists) sent a letter to SWR's Director of Culture Programs, Anke Mai (to which some media had access) in which they explained that they accept the future collaboration with François-Xavier Roth, but did not support it. "We believe that this decision harms the image, credibility and sovereignty of the orchestra," say the signatories who require the SWR to publish a statement specifying that the orchestra was not at the origin of the decision. The request was reportedly rejected by Anke Mai, who recalls that the representatives of the orchestra had explicitly requested to be kept away from the situation. According to the Badische Zeitung media, new exchanges between the members of the orchestra and the Radio should take place at the beginning of the school year.*
by “rentrée “ I think they mean new season rather than school year which is the usual meaning in France…
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
48 out of 140 musicians in the SWR have objected to his rehire .
SWR have conducted an internal inquiry and (if I’ve read it right ) received no complaints. But following the revelations in Canard Enchaine they are putting in place preventive measures.
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