TV music presentation

[french frank]

They can if they use the radio or go along to the gig.

And if they pay their TV licence fee?

BUT I don't think this will happen on TV, nor should I expect it to.

I think people should expect it to - on BBC Four, if not on One or Two. The big change is that the level of the 'arts channel' has been lowered to that of the popular channels - cutting the value of the TV licence to people who want serious arts programmes.

I think some people simply don't enjoy the context of TV

I think they do. I suspect that it's you that doesn't understand 'context'.

[MrGongGong]

And if they pay their TV licence fee?
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They can turn the TV sound off and listen to the R3 broadcast with the pictures
as Errol Brown said

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

They can turn the TV sound off and listen to the R3 broadcast with the pictures
as Errol Brown said

Do you really think they would be in sync?

[MrGongGong]

Do you really think they would be in sync?

If it was an UK orchestra they will be about 500ms behind the beat anyway

Digital TV always seems slightly out of sync to me as it is

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I was thinking of the decompression times: FM virtually none; DAB a couple of seconds; digital TV a little longer.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Personally, I DO like to listen to whole pieces BUT I don't think this will happen on TV, nor should I expect it to.

Why not? (To both bits in bold.) This is how concerts of this sort of Music have been televised until at least the turn of the millennium. What advantages to anyone does adding a single individual's comments to the course of the Music bring? Doesn't it rather disempower the listeners - taking away their individual response and coercing them to follow that of an "authority" (even one without the inverted commas)? Is this how televised concerts from Glastonbury (for example) are done - Jo Whiley giving a run-down on what to expect from the next song when a band/solo has finished the previous number? What's so special about Musics from the Classical traditions that single them out for treatment this way?

I think some people simply don't enjoy the context of TV

What makes you think this? I have watched television enthusiastically all my life - and have loved televised concerts whenever they were broadcast since I was 12. Why should my annoyance at this intrusive and unnecessary innovation suggest that I "don't enjoy the context of TV"? I don't like Eastenders or Lucy Worsley, either - doesn't mean anything other than I don't like Eastenders and Lucy Worsley.

And are you suggesting that being enthusiastic for pre-Music commentary is a necessary condition to "enjoy the context of TV". (Well, actually, yes you are - but do you mean to?!)

[teamsaint]

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[Zucchini]

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[jean]

What kind of an idiot are you?

[MrGongGong]

Why not? (To both bits in bold.)

Because TV has become all about narrative

This is how concerts of this sort of Music have been televised until at least the turn of the millennium. What advantages to anyone does adding a single individual's comments to the course of the Music bring? Doesn't it rather disempower the listeners - taking away their individual response and coercing them to follow that of an "authority" (even one without the inverted commas)?

Probably, but TV isn't how you (or I) would want it to be.

What makes you think this? I have watched television enthusiastically all my life - and have loved televised concerts whenever they were broadcast since I was 12. Why should my annoyance at this intrusive and unnecessary innovation suggest that I "don't enjoy the context of TV"? I don't like Eastenders or Lucy Worsley, either - doesn't mean anything other than I don't like Eastenders and Lucy Worsley.

And are you suggesting that being enthusiastic for pre-Music commentary is a necessary condition to "enjoy the context of TV". (Well, actually, yes you are - but do you mean to?!)

What I mean is that people will always complain about what TV has become (me included).
I don't think there is any chance of the BBC broadcasting a concert without "commentary" or "talking heads"
if I want that I will go to a concert or listen on the radio.

Some people DO like to moan about TV presentation of everything from football to concerts.

Am I alone in noticing that every time there is anything on TV that is remotely about something I know about I sit there going "no, no, it's not like that, what about" etc?
With a few exceptions.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

MrGG (#90)

Aha! I misunderstood what you were saying in the post I quoted from.

Am I alone in noticing that every time there is anything on TV that is remotely about something I know about I sit there going "no, no, it's not like that, what about" etc?
With a few exceptions.

No, you're not.

[teamsaint]

MrGG (#90)

Aha! I misunderstood what you were saying in the post I quoted from.


No, you're not.

no wonder I was struggling to follow the logic of the discussion !!

No, He's not.

But then , it is very easy to assume that TV is about representing things in a particular way, ( EG" impartial") when this may well be a mistaken assumption.

[aeolium]

Probably, but TV isn't how you (or I) would want it to be.

Why does this remind me of the phrase "Welcome to the real world", in which "the real world" is invoked as some kind of justification of the unjustifiable?
There is a similar kind of passivity about the statement, as if the direction that TV has taken is unalterable, in the way that other policies in the "real world" appear unalterable. "There is no alternative"

What I mean is that people will always complain about what TV has become (me included).
I don't think there is any chance of the BBC broadcasting a concert without "commentary" or "talking heads"
if I want that I will go to a concert or listen on the radio.

But that is not what people have been complaining about here. AFAIK since the time of the Third Programme and the broadcasting of concerts on BBC TV, they have been broadcast with introductory comments, interval discussion and some kind of concluding comments. But I can't think of another example of a Prom concert in which a complete symphony has been broadcast with inter-movement explanation. Simply to fall back on the claim that "this is what TV is like now and we have to adapt to it" sets such a low bar of expectation for the potential of TV to bring art to a wide audience (as the Proms do).

It isn't the case that most people moan all the time about TV arts programmes or documentaries - look at the comments on the Pappano series, and plenty of positive comments on programmes on the General Arts sub-forum. They can be done well, they are being done well, but the misconceived ideas ought to be challenged - just as having morning programmes on R3 full of celebrities and tweets ought to be challenged.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Why does this remind me of the phrase "Welcome to the real world", in which "the real world" is invoked as some kind of justification of the unjustifiable?....



...Simply to fall back on the claim that "this is what TV is like now and we have to adapt to it" sets such a low bar of expectation for the potential of TV to bring art to a wide audience (as the Proms do).

I've never liked the argument that we have to accept the way things are.

[french frank]

Member suggestion: the discussion on TV presentation has been detached from the concert thread. Not entirely 'tidy' but people have a habit of being on-topic and off-topic in the same post