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  • zola
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 656

    TV music presentation

    So instead of clapping between movements we get Elder between movements ? Now, Discovering Music was a good programme but it would be nice to get a concert once in a while. Oh well, there was a barnstorming piano demolishing performance from Denis Matsuev at Verbier online earlier. With no presenters.
  • ARBurton
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 331

    #2
    Originally posted by zola View Post
    So instead of clapping between movements we get Elder between movements ? Now, Discovering Music was a good programme but it would be nice to get a concert once in a while. Oh well, there was a barnstorming piano demolishing performance from Denis Matsuev at Verbier online earlier. With no presenters.
    Staggering. Just staggering. I`m quite prepared to accept that Mr Elder knows his onions (or, as it`s Beethoven, his Zwiebeln) but really....! BETWEEN movements? Come on BBC, not everything has to be reduced to the One Show level...

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    • gurnemanz
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7391

      #3
      Originally posted by ARBurton View Post
      Staggering. Just staggering. I`m quite prepared to accept that Mr Elder knows his onions (or, as it`s Beethoven, his Zwiebeln) but really....! BETWEEN movements? Come on BBC, not everything has to be reduced to the One Show level...
      I'm utterly astonished that anyone could think that this kind of interruption is appropriate and find it hard to believe that Elder would have agreed to be involved if he had known it is was being done this way. Not inclined to watch the rest.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26540

        #4
        Originally posted by ARBurton View Post
        Staggering. Just staggering. I`m quite prepared to accept that Mr Elder knows his onions (or, as it`s Beethoven, his Zwiebeln) but really....! BETWEEN movements? Come on BBC, not everything has to be reduced to the One Show level...
        Yes, mind-boggling. I'll accept that too (and it's irrelevant that I've never really liked Sir ME's slightly self-important, hectoring speaking style) - but the inter-movement chat thing...? Beyond belief. Chalk up another one to Siobhan from Perfect Curve




        (Glad my PVR has an edit facilty to nip out unwanted bits. In previous seasons it's been used to eliminate the huffings and puffings of Service or the blathering of the interval cronies - this year, it'll be used to put back together the movements of symphonies )
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30317

          #5
          I supposed the whole televised season has been devised to get people to listen to Radio 3?
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • teamsaint
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 25210

            #6
            My evening listening included the very enjoyable Myaskovsky Symphony - Ballade no 22.

            Would be a great piece for the proms, but I guess it will never get done now.
            There are no pauses between the movements.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6797

              #7
              The problem is whatever atmosphere or mood is built up by the performance is all but destroyed by the interpolations. I think the BBC phrase is " brave experiment" . On a bassoon note the Ninth must be a bassoon player's dream....?

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30317

                #8
                Why exploit the (almost) live concert - rather than putting the explanatory version in a different programme altogether - preferably nothing to do with the Proms?
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • mercia
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 8920

                  #9
                  brace yourselves for Sir Mark speaking between the movements of the Symphony of Psalms next week. Weren't these Sunday night TV programmes billed as 'educational introductions' to the music as much as straight concert relays ? (i.e. why are we surprised ?)

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30317

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mercia View Post
                    brace yourselves for Sir Mark speaking between the movements of the Symphony of Psalms next week. Weren't these Sunday night TV programmes billed as 'educational introductions' to the music as much as straight concert relays ? (i.e. why are we surprised ?)
                    "Sunday's programmes focus on the key symphonies performed across the season, presented by Katie Derham and Sir Mark Elder."

                    Surprised is not the word …
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #11
                      I think it's an outrage. Why were those standing and sitting in the RAH denied Sir Mark's insights between the four movements. They pay good money and only get the music!? Not good enough. They should demand their money back.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        #12
                        Clearly I missed all the crazy BBC stupidity, by listening to a great performance of B9 on Radio 3. It seems that was the right thing to do. I shall now avoid all TV Proms broadcasts.

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                        • antongould
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8791

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          Clearly I missed all the crazy BBC stupidity, by listening to a great performance of B9 on Radio 3. It seems that was the right thing to do. I shall now avoid all TV Proms broadcasts.
                          Good plan - stick with the Senior Service ......

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                          • mlb7171

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            I think it's an outrage. Why were those standing and sitting in the RAH denied Sir Mark's insights between the four movements. They pay good money and only get the music!? Not good enough. They should demand their money back.
                            Sir Mark did say in his intro he will be conducting two of the symphonies included in this 'series' of BBC4 programmes. So perhaps those two he will indeed make his observations from the podium.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9314

                              #15
                              Hiya gurnemanz,

                              Don't be surprised. Sir Mark Elder loves the microphone. With the Halle he often speaks introductions from the podium. When the Halle played the Saint-Saens Carnival of the Animals he did the whole narration.
                              Last edited by Stanfordian; 20-07-15, 08:38.

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