Music you've still not grown to like

[Beef Oven!]

Which one of the three that you hve just mentioned?

Benjamin, of course. Can't you read?

[LeMartinPecheur]

Wotchoo tawkin''baht, visnik?

Bruckner's 1st piano concerto, obviously

[Serial_Apologist]

Some of that might be true, but it's a shift from what you said earlier. And I don't think that your point about music that's being listened to for the first time is valid.

Going back to what you said about Wagner preparing us for Mahler, Mahler for 2VS etc (which I don'y buy anyway) it would mean that the scores of millions of people that are fans of Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax, can't appreciate them properly without first having heard Black Sabbath and Motorhead; and that Black Sabbath prepared thrash/death metal fans for Motorhead, and Motorhead in turn prepared them for Metallica et al. Well no, it didn't work like that. Plus, the experience of hearing thrash bands is repeated and your point about 'listened to for the first time' doesn't work.

You know much more about rock music than I, so I can't argue with you on these points. Composers working in what some have called "the German tradition" are generally more conscious of wanting to place themselves in relation to their predecessors' contributions than those of other traditions.

[cloughie]

Bruckner's 1st piano concerto, obviously

Not given that a spin in ages

[Serial_Apologist]

Bruckner's 1st piano concerto, obviously

Brahms and Liszt, I thought.

[cloughie]

Brahms and Liszt, I thought.

We're they Anton's piano role models?

[Serial_Apologist]

We're they Anton's piano role models?

[EdgeleyRob]

It tends to be certain works, rather than whole outputs, of composers that I have problems with. The composers where I just struggle with or just cannot get on with a considerable proportion of their output are: Mahler (of course), the 3rd Symphony is among my top 5 dislikes of all; Medtner, Beliini, Donizetti (though I have made some progress with some works of theirs in recent years); Poulenc (things have improved here though), George Lloyd, sorry I find absolutely nothing but empty floundering rhetoric in his music; J Strauss II, Arnold Rosner (shockingly bad composer), Arvo Part (bores me totally),Piazzolla, Birtwistle - I just will not do anything for me except give me a headache, the whole soundworld comes across as oppressively claustrophobic; Colin Matthews, Turnage & George Benjamin (not just the music, the man himself makes my flesh creep). Plus all those awful imitation composers such as Nyman, Whiteacre and similar bad jokes.
Sorry, rant over, having a rough time of it at the moment!

Sorry you're having a rough time sc.
Some names have the same effect on me,not George Lloyd though.
Mahler is a strange one for me,sort of in the 'music you used to like,have grown to dislike but will probably like again' category.

[Beef Oven!]

You know much more about rock music than I, so I can't argue with you on these points.

That's a bit of a cop out. Music is music so the principles are universal.

Composers working in what some have called "the German tradition" are generally more conscious of wanting to place themselves in relation to their predecessors' contributions than those of other traditions.

How do you know that? And why do you suppose that all composers want to place themselves in relation to their predecessors? Again, how would you know that?

James Hetfield of Metallica appears as though he would crawl over miles of broken bottles just to stick matches in Lemmy's turds. But this does not mean thrash metal fans don't appreciate Metallica's music, just because many of them have never heard of Lemmy (Motorhead).

[Barbirollians]

I can't recall the number of times I've tried Bruckner, but I can't fight the boredom that creeps in after a while - how ever much I enjoyed it at the beginning. And 'boredom' is the right word for me, because my usual thought - sometimes expressed out loud - is something like "get on with it! - oh, I can't be bothered with this!". And I do try decent versions (I have the Tintner and Wand Cologne sets).

So it's me...

Barbirolli Halle Bruckner 8 once in BBC Legends is the record I would play to anyone who disliked Bruckner for the reasons you do

[visualnickmos]

Wotchoo tawkin''baht, visnik?

I should have said - I was replying to a post whose author expressed a 'problem' with appreciation of Brahms....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Bruckner's 1st piano concerto, obviously

Ah! I thought he was referring to Sibelius'.

?Sibelius's?


Sibelius's's

PS: Ah; crossed posts. Brahms's's's.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The composer whom I'm hoping one day to hear the light with is Verdi. I adore Falstaff and Otello, and greatly enjoy the Requiem, Aida, and the first act of Traviata. But with the best of intentions, my attention wanders very quickly in the other works (although I find Trovatore hilarious in a Pythonesque way, which I don't think is how I'm supposed to respond). Many, many people whose opinions I greatly respect regard his work with the same awe and astonishment that I feel for Bruckner (for example) - which is why I keep trying with it. But it just sounds silly, trivial and hammy to me so far. I'd rather listen to G&S!

In fact, most Italian repertoire between 1750 and 1950 doesn't stir my beans - Norma, L'Elisir d'Amore, bits of Puccini I quite like. But even so, I wished that Pappano's programme on Tenors had spent less time on this repertoire and more on proper Music!

[Beef Oven!]

The composer whom I'm hoping one day to hear the light with is Verdi. I adore Falstaff and Otello, and greatly enjoy the Requiem, Aida, and the first act of Traviata. But with the best of intentions, my attention wanders very quickly in the other works (although I find Trovatore hilarious in a Pythonesque way, which I don't think is how I'm supposed to respond). Many, many people whose opinions I greatly respect regard his work with the same awe and astonishment that I feel for Bruckner (for example) - which is why I keep trying with it. But it just sounds silly, trivial and hammy to me so far. I'd rather listen to G&S!

In fact, most Italian repertoire between 1750 and 1950 doesn't stir my beans - Norma, L'Elisir d'Amore, bits of Puccini I quite like. But even so, I wished that Pappano's programme on Tenors had spent less time on this repertoire and more on proper Music!

ferney, regarding Verdi, I would recommend Simon Boccanegra. For me it's by far and away his best work. Claudio Abbado's DG recording is marvellous.

[cloughie]

The composer whom I'm hoping one day to hear the light with is Verdi. I adore Falstaff and Otello, and greatly enjoy the Requiem, Aida, and the first act of Traviata. But with the best of intentions, my attention wanders very quickly in the other works (although I find Trovatore hilarious in a Pythonesque way, which I don't think is how I'm supposed to respond). Many, many people whose opinions I greatly respect regard his work with the same awe and astonishment that I feel for Bruckner (for example) - which is why I keep trying with it. But it just sounds silly, trivial and hammy to me so far. I'd rather listen to G&S!

In fact, most Italian repertoire between 1750 and 1950 doesn't stir my beans - Norma, L'Elisir d'Amore, bits of Puccini I quite like. But even so, I wished that Pappano's programme on Tenors had spent less time on this repertoire and more on proper Music!

Not a lot of opera lights my candle. I think it's not so much the music, some of it is very moving but the vibrato and warbling does it no favours.