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  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
    • 7666

    #16
    Chopin Preludes have always remained special

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    • kernelbogey
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      • Nov 2010
      • 5745

      #17
      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
      Brahms was grieving for his mother when he wrote the beautiful soprano solo, Ihr habt nun Traurigkeit, for his German Requiem....
      The horn trio - especially the adagio - is also inspired by his grief.

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22119

        #18
        Originally posted by cria View Post
        Any 6 or 8 from WTK, starting anywhere

        ​​​​
        WTK?

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
          • 10922

          #19
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post

          WTK?
          Well-tempered clavier (Das wohltemperierte Klavier: so played from a German edition, obviously).

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          • richardfinegold
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            • Sep 2012
            • 7666

            #20
            I'm working on the first prelude from the WTC/WTK currently. Coincidentally the harpist that played our processional wedding music made an arrangement of it and it was lovely. However I wouldn't consider it as grief music, exceptng that I probably do send J.S.B. spinning in his grave every time I play it...

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            • gurnemanz
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

              Well-tempered clavier (Das wohltemperierte Klavier: so played from a German edition, obviously).
              A pedant chips in: Since 'wohltemperierte' is one word, wouldn't it be WK?

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              • oliver sudden
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                • Feb 2024
                • 612

                #22
                Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post

                A pedant chips in: Since 'wohltemperierte' is one word, wouldn't it be WK?
                Someone in Germany chips in: it's reasonably common for abbreviations in these parts to have more letters than the number of words might lead one to expect, what with the words being made of other words and all. Westdeutscher Rundfunk is WDR, for example, to name one particularly close to home...

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                • oliver sudden
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                  • Feb 2024
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                  I turned last night to the Shostakovich 14 in the Rostropovich recording
                  I was also thinking of that in the context of current events but particularly this bit: https://youtu.be/siGtXCyTZiE?feature=shared

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                  • Boilk
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 976

                    #24
                    For some reason, music with rich string writing has always seemed appropriate for me for reflection / mourning / consolation. So four that come to mind:

                    Distance vs Desire by Allan Holdsworth​
                    Symphony No.6 by Alan Hovhaness​
                    Last movement of Messiaen's orchestral version of L'Ascension
                    2nd movement of Panufnik's Concerto Festivo (heavily influenced by the Messiaen, I reckon)

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10922

                      #25
                      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post

                      A pedant chips in: Since 'wohltemperierte' is one word, wouldn't it be WK?
                      Agreed! But being a composite I suppose it's sort of OK to break it down into the well and the tempered bits.
                      A bit like Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis​ (admittedly hyphenated here) becoming BWV?

                      PS: Ah: I see that Oliver also responded somewhat similarly.

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                      • smittims
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                        • Aug 2022
                        • 4141

                        #26
                        Mention of 'rich string writing' reminded me that no-one has so far mentioned that most notorious of pieces associated with consolation: Barber's Adagio.

                        Its' association with grief (dating perhaps from its frequent broadcast following the Kennedy assassination) is an example of music meaning different things to different people (Nimrod being an english equivalent) . In this case Samuel Barber specifically said that it was a love scene , 'a bed scene' .

                        I've never liked the a cappella arrangement sung to Agnus Dei. I don't know if it's authentic.

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                        • Pulcinella
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                          • Feb 2014
                          • 10922

                          #27
                          Originally posted by smittims View Post
                          Mention of 'rich string writing' reminded me that no-one has so far mentioned that most notorious of pieces associated with consolation: Barber's Adagio.

                          Its' association with grief (dating perhaps from its frequent broadcast following the Kennedy assassination) is an example of music meaning different things to different people (Nimrod being an english equivalent) . In this case Samuel Barber specifically said that it was a love scene , 'a bed scene' .

                          I've never liked the a cappella arrangement sung to Agnus Dei. I don't know if it's authentic.
                          Yes, it's authentic.
                          And yes, it's dreadful, ha ha!

                          Wiki says:

                          Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) is a choral composition in one movement by Samuel Barber, his own arrangement of his Adagio for Strings (1936). In 1967, he set the Latin words of the liturgical Agnus Dei, a part of the Mass, for mixed chorus with optional organ or piano accompaniment. The music, in B-flat minor, has a duration of about eight minutes.​

                          In terms of rich string music my choice would unquestionably be the middle movement of Tippett's Concerto for double string orchestra.

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                          • smittims
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                            • Aug 2022
                            • 4141

                            #28
                            ...yes, and that too has been variously interpreted, some seeing it as a dreamy bucolic idyll. Yet when I saw Michael conduct it at the QEH in (I think) 1981 it sounded austere and rigorous , reminiscent of the 'hungry thirties'.

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                            • LMcD
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                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8460

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post

                              WTK?
                              'Where's that Kit-Kat'?

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                              • Pulcinella
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                                • Feb 2014
                                • 10922

                                #30
                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                                'Where's that Kit-Kat'?
                                Maybe we should be grateful that someone (the late PDQ Bach, perhaps) didn't write The Well-tempered Flügelhorn!

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